Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 10.116

With Ajita

Ajitasutta — Paccorohaṇivagga — the twelfth chapter of the Tens, the Chapter on the Ceremony of Descent

Setting
None stated in the source
Speakers
The wanderer Ajita, then the Buddha addressing the mendicants
Form
A boast reported, three types of crowd-pleasing rebuttal exposed, then the real standard restated
Length
~1 minute to read
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — a pointed critique of rhetorical showmanship

Why this discourse

The wanderer Ajita reports, with evident pride, that a companion literally named Paṇḍita — “Astute” — has worked out some five hundred arguments for refuting rivals, and the Buddha uses the moment to expose exactly what kind of debate performance actually earns applause from an unprincipled crowd.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Someone who rebuts unprincipled statements with unprincipled statements, or principled statements with unprincipled statements, or a mix of both with unprincipled statements, delights only an unprincipled assembly cheering “he is truly astute!” — the real standard for good and bad principles is the familiar ten-factor path, not crowd approval.

A name that is also a claim

The wanderer's companion is not merely described as astute; he is literally named Paṇḍita, “Astute,” and credited with roughly five hundred prepared arguments — making the discourse's central question unusually pointed: does this person actually deserve the name he already carries?

Three ways to win a crowd without being right

The Buddha names three distinct debating tactics, each using unprincipled arguments as the weapon: against genuinely unprincipled statements, against genuinely principled statements, and against a mixture of both — and in every single case, an unprincipled audience roars its approval regardless of whether the rebuttal was actually sound.

Applause as the wrong measure entirely

The discourse's real target is not any specific wanderer but the standard itself: a crowd's noisy delight is shown to track nothing about the actual soundness of an argument, and the Buddha replaces it immediately with the one standard that does track soundness — the familiar ten-factor distinction between bad and good principles already met earlier in this chapter.

Key terms

paṇḍita — “astute,” here also a proper name — the wanderers' companion whose reputation this discourse examines.
pañcamattāni cittaṭṭhānasatāni — “around five hundred arguments,” literally “five hundred mental positions” — the prepared repertoire Ajita credits to his companion.
adhammavādena adhammavādaṁ āropeti niggaṇhāti — “rebuts and quashes unprincipled statements with unprincipled statements” — the first of three crowd-pleasing but hollow debating tactics.
saṅghasaddo mahāsaddo hoti — “make a colossal racket” — the unprincipled assembly's own noisy, sound-tracking-nothing approval.
kusalā dhammā, akusalā dhammā — “good principles, bad principles” — the real standard the Buddha restates, replacing crowd noise with the ten-factor distinction.

The text

The discourse in full: Ajita's report, the three hollow debating tactics exposed, and the real standard restated. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

A wanderer's boast

§1Then the wanderer Ajita went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha, “Worthy Gotama, we have a spiritual companion called ‘Astute’. He has worked out around five hundred arguments by which followers of other religions will know when they’ve been refuted.” Then the Buddha said to the mendicants, “Mendicants, do you remember this Astute’s points?” “Now is the time, Blessed One! Now is the time, Holy One! Let the Buddha speak and the mendicants will remember it.” “Well then, mendicants, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.” “Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

Three ways to win a crowd without being right

§2“Mendicants, take a certain someone who rebuts and quashes unprincipled statements with unprincipled statements. This delights an unprincipled assembly, who make a colossal racket: ‘He is truly astute! He is truly astute!’ Someone else rebuts and quashes principled statements with unprincipled statements. This delights an unprincipled assembly, who make a colossal racket: ‘He is truly astute! He is truly astute!’ Someone else rebuts and quashes principled and unprincipled statements with unprincipled statements. This delights an unprincipled assembly, who make a colossal racket: ‘He is truly astute! He is truly astute!’

The real standard: bad and good principles

§3Mendicants, you should know bad principles and good principles. And you should know bad results and good results. Knowing these things, your practice should follow the good principles with good results. So what are bad principles? What are good principles? What are bad results? And what are good results? Wrong view is a bad principle. Right view is a good principle. And the many bad, unskillful qualities produced by wrong view are bad results. And the many skillful qualities fully developed because of right view are good results. Wrong purpose is a bad principle. Right purpose is a good principle. … Wrong speech is a bad principle. Right speech is a good principle. … Wrong action is a bad principle. Right action is a good principle. … Wrong livelihood is a bad principle. Right livelihood is a good principle. … Wrong effort is a bad principle. Right effort is a good principle. … Wrong mindfulness is a bad principle. Right mindfulness is a good principle. … Wrong immersion is a bad principle. Right immersion is a good principle. … Wrong knowledge is a bad principle. Right knowledge is a good principle. … Wrong freedom is a bad principle. Right freedom is a good principle. And the many bad, unskillful qualities produced by wrong freedom are bad results. And the many skillful qualities fully developed because of right freedom are good results. ‘You should know bad principles and good principles. And you should know bad results and good results. Knowing these things, your practice should follow the good principles with good results.’ That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.”

· · ·

Self-check quiz

5 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 5
What does the wanderer Ajita report to the Buddha?
Correct: A. A proud report about a companion whose very name claims astuteness.
Question 2 of 5
What three tactics does the Buddha name, all using unprincipled statements as their weapon?
Correct: B. Three distinct but equally hollow ways to win a crowd's approval.
Question 3 of 5
What happens in every one of these three cases, regardless of whether the rebuttal was actually sound?
Correct: B. Crowd approval that tracks nothing about actual soundness.
Question 4 of 5
What standard does the Buddha offer in place of crowd approval?
Correct: B. A standard that actually tracks soundness, unlike noise.
Question 5 of 5
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: D. No location is given for this discourse.
Answered 0 of 5 · Correct 0