Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 10.93

What Is Your View?

Kiṁdiṭṭhikasutta — Upālivagga — the tenth chapter of the Tens, closing the Second Fifty

Setting
Sāvatthī, and the monastery of wanderers of other religions
Speakers
The householder Anāthapiṇḍika debating a group of wanderers
Form
A narrative of respect turned to debate, a refutation applied to ten views, and the Buddha's closing praise
Length
~3 minutes to read
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — a satisfying narrative carrying real philosophical content

Why this discourse

Turned away by the Buddha's own retreat, Anāthapiṇḍika wanders instead into a den of noisy rival ascetics who quiet down out of simple reputation — and walks out having refuted every one of their ten favorite metaphysical positions using nothing but dependent origination, earning praise the Buddha says would honor a mendicant of a hundred years' standing.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Whatever view someone holds about the ten classic undeclared points — whether the cosmos is eternal or not, finite or infinite, whether the self and body are the same or different, or whether a Realized One exists after death in any of four ways — that view is itself created, conditioned, and dependently originated, therefore impermanent, therefore suffering, and clinging to it is simply more suffering.

Silenced by reputation before a word is spoken

The wanderers' own behavior on seeing Anāthapiṇḍika approach is itself a small teaching: they hush each other specifically because they know he is a disciple of the Buddha, whose community “likes the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet” — a reputation for calm doing real persuasive work before any argument begins.

A layman declines to speak first, then dismantles ten positions

Anāthapiṇḍika's tactical patience is notable: rather than offering his own view first, he insists the wanderers state theirs, then applies the identical refutation — created, conditioned, dependently originated, therefore impermanent, therefore suffering — to each of their ten stated positions in turn, leaving them, in the discourse's own vivid phrase, “dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast.”

Lay wisdom, praised without qualification

The Buddha's closing assessment is unusually strong: not only does he praise Anāthapiṇḍika directly, he tells the assembled mendicants that even one of them, ordained a full hundred years, would refute the wanderers no better than this layman just did — placing lay philosophical competence on entirely equal footing with the most senior monastic attainment.

Key terms

sassato loko — “the cosmos is eternal” — the first of the ten classic undeclared views the wanderers assert.
saṅkhataṁ, sappaccayaṁ, cetayitaṁ, paṭiccasamuppannaṁ — “created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated” — the four-part diagnosis Anāthapiṇḍika applies identically to every one of the ten views.
yadaniccaṁ taṁ dukkhaṁ — “what's impermanent is suffering” — the pivot step turning metaphysical speculation into the language of the four noble truths.
tuṇhībhūtā maṅkubhūtā pattakkhandhā adhomukhā pajjhāyanti appaṭibhānā — “sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say” — the wanderers' state after every one of their views is refuted.
vassasatūpasampanno — “ordained for a hundred years” — the Buddha's own benchmark for monastic seniority, matched without qualification by Anāthapiṇḍika's lay performance.

The text

The discourse in full: the wanderers' silence, Anāthapiṇḍika's refutation of all ten views, and the Buddha's closing praise. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

A visit to a rival monastery

§1At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. Then the householder Anāthapiṇḍika left Sāvatthī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha. Then it occurred to him, “It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha, as he’s in retreat. And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants, as they’re in retreat. Why don’t I visit the monastery of the wanderers of other religions?” Then he went to the monastery of the wanderers of other religions. Now at that time, the wanderers of other religions had come together, making an uproar, a colossal racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of low topics. They saw Anāthapiṇḍika coming off in the distance, and stopped each other, saying, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. The householder Anāthapiṇḍika, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming into our monastery. He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing in Sāvatthī. Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet. Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.” Then those wanderers of other religions fell silent. Then Anāthapiṇḍika went up to them, and exchanged greetings with those wanderers. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him, “Tell us, householder, what is the view of the ascetic Gotama?” “Sirs, I don’t know all his views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama, tell us, what are the views of the mendicants?” “Sirs, I don’t know all the mendicants’ views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama or of the mendicants, tell us, householder, what is your view?” “Sirs, it’s not hard for me to explain what my views are. But please, let the venerables explain their own convictions first. Afterwards it won’t be hard for me to explain my views.”

Ten views, stated

§2When he said this, one of the wanderers said to him, “The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.” Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.” Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is finite …” … “The cosmos is infinite …” … “The soul and the body are one and the same …” … “The soul is one thing, the body another …” … “A realized one still exists after death …” … “A realized one no longer exists after death …” … “A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …” … “A Realized One neither exists nor doesn’t exist after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.”

Ten views, refuted

§3When this was said, Anāthapiṇḍika said this, “Sirs, regarding the venerable who said this: ‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated. Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this: ‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated. Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this: ‘The cosmos is finite …’ … ‘The cosmos is infinite …’ … ‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ … ‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ … ‘A realized one still exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A Realized One neither exists nor doesn’t exist after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated. Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.” When he said this the wanderers said to him, “Householder, we’ve each explained our own convictions. Tell us, householder, what is your view?” “Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self. That’s my view, sirs.” “Householder, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What you cling to and hold to is just suffering.” “Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And I’ve truly seen clearly with right wisdom that what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, it’s not my self. And I truly understand the escape beyond that.”

Silenced, and reported to the Buddha

§4When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say. Seeing this, Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat. He went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed. “Good, good, householder! That’s how you should legitimately and completely refute those futile men from time to time.” Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the householder Anāthapiṇḍika with a Dhamma talk, after which Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha before leaving. Then, not long after Anāthapiṇḍika had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Mendicants, even a mendicant who has ordained for a hundred years in this teaching and training would legitimately and completely refute those wanderers of other religions just as the householder Anāthapiṇḍika did.”

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Question 1 of 5
Why does Anāthapiṇḍika end up at the wanderers' monastery at all?
Correct: B. An incidental visit that becomes a philosophical confrontation.
Question 2 of 5
Why do the wanderers quiet down before Anāthapiṇḍika even arrives, according to the guide?
Correct: B. Reputation doing persuasive work before any argument begins.
Question 3 of 5
What single refutation does Anāthapiṇḍika apply to each of the ten views?
Correct: B. One identical structural refutation, applied ten times over.
Question 4 of 5
How does the Buddha assess Anāthapiṇḍika's performance?
Correct: B. Lay philosophical competence placed on equal footing with senior monastic attainment.
Question 5 of 5
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. A rival monastery within the same city as the Buddha's own residence.
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