Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 3.72

A Disciple of the Ājīvakas

Ājīvakasutta — Ānandavagga — the eighth chapter of the Threes

Setting
Kosambī, in Ghosita’s Monastery
Speakers
A householder who was a disciple of the Ājīvaka ascetics, and Venerable Ānanda
Form
Three questions, answered by three counter-questions, then read back to the questioner
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
Comparable material on answering sectarian comparison without sectarian claims is preserved in the Chinese Āgamas; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — short, and one of the best-made conversations in the collection

Why this discourse

A householder who follows another school asks Ānanda the question every religious teacher wants to be asked and should be afraid of: whose teaching is well explained? Who in the world is practicing well? Who has done well? Ānanda does not answer. He asks three questions back, gets three answers, repeats them to the man — and never names his own tradition once.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

You can answer “who is right?” without saying “we are.”

Who is asking

The Ājīvakas were a major renunciate movement of the period, led by Makkhali Gosāla, and the canon treats them as serious rivals rather than as cranks — AN 3.61 in this same collection sets out and refutes the doctrine of one of their positions at length.

So this is not a neutral inquirer. It is a householder who supports another school, asking a member of this one to rank them. The question has a trap in it whichever way it is answered: claim superiority and you are a sectarian; decline and you have nothing to teach.

The three counter-questions

Ānanda’s move is to convert each of the three questions from who to what.

Is the teaching of those who teach for giving up greed, hate, and delusion well explained or not? The householder says it is. Are those who practice for giving up greed, hate, and delusion practicing well? He says they are. Have those who have given up greed, hate, and delusion — cut off at the root, made like a palm stump — done well in the world? He says they have.

Then Ānanda simply reads the three answers back to him. That is the whole discourse. No conclusion is drawn and no application is made.

The construction is worth noticing. Each counter-question is stated in terms of a criterion rather than a group, and the criterion is one the householder can evaluate himself. Anybody who teaches for the giving up of the three roots is covered; the question of which school does so is left entirely open, and Ānanda never closes it.

What the householder says

The praise he offers is the finest description of good teaching in the collection and should be quoted rather than summarized:

There’s no acclaiming your own teaching or disrespecting someone else’s, just teaching what’s relevant in that context. The goal is spoken of, but the self is not involved.

Four things are named. No self-promotion. No disparagement of others. Relevance to the situation. And — the last clause — the matter is discussed without the speaker’s own position entering into it. Attho ca vutto attā ca anupanīto: the goal was stated and the self was not brought in.

Only then does he apply the criteria himself: you, sir, teach Dhamma for giving up greed, hate, and delusion; your teaching is well explained. He draws the conclusion Ānanda declined to draw, and he draws it about Ānanda personally, including the third one — you’ve given up greed, hate, and delusion; you in the world have done well.

That is a considerable claim to make about somebody, and Ānanda does not accept or deny it. The discourse ends with the householder going for refuge.

Why the method works

It is worth being precise about what Ānanda has and has not achieved, because the discourse is often praised in vague terms.

He has not avoided the question. All three of the man’s questions are answered, and the answers are the ones his own tradition would give. What he has avoided is answering them by naming a group, and the effect is that the householder ends up applying the criteria for himself — including to Ānanda, which is where the sectarian claim would have gone if it had been made at the start.

This is the same technique as AN 3.66, where Nandaka lets two young men reach the conclusion, and AN 3.60, where Saṅgārava ranks the three demonstrations himself. The Threes clearly regard it as the standard method, and it is worth pointing out that all three instances involve somebody who might reasonably have suspected the speaker of special pleading.

Using it

For anyone teaching in a mixed or non-Buddhist setting, this is the model discourse and the householder’s four criteria are the checklist. Am I promoting my own thing? Am I disparaging somebody else’s? Is this relevant here? Is my own position doing work in the argument that the subject matter should be doing?

The last is the hardest and the most useful. A great deal of religious and educational speech consists of a correct point with the speaker’s standing quietly attached to it, and the phrase the goal is spoken of, but the self is not involved is a precise name for what that speech lacks.

Key terms

ājīvaka — a major renunciate movement of the period, led by Makkhali Gosāla, treated in the canon as a serious rival. AN 3.61 sets out and refutes one of their positions.
svākkhāta — “well explained” — the first of the three things asked about, and the standard epithet of the Dhamma in the recollection formula.
suppaṭipanna — “practicing well” — the second, and the standard epithet of the Saṅgha.
sugata — “done well, gone well” — the third, and elsewhere an epithet of the Buddha himself. The three questions are the three refuges, asked as a ranking.
attho ca vutto attā ca anupanīto — “the goal is spoken of, but the self is not involved” — the householder’s description of what Ānanda has just done.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Three questions

§1At one time Venerable Ānanda was staying near Kosambī, in Ghosita’s Monastery. Then a householder who was a disciple of the Ājīvaka ascetics went up to Venerable Ānanda, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to Ānanda:

§2“Honorable Ānanda, whose teaching is well explained? Who in the world is practicing well? Who in the world has done well?” “Well then, householder, I’ll ask you about this in return, and you can answer as you like. What do you think, householder? Is the teaching of those who teach for giving up greed, hate, and delusion well explained or not? Or how do you see this?” “The teaching of those who teach for giving up greed, hate, and delusion is well explained. That’s how I see it.”

Three counter-questions

§3“What do you think, householder? Are those who practice for giving up greed, hate, and delusion practicing well or not? Or how do you see this?” “Those who practice for giving up greed, hate, and delusion are practicing well. That’s how I see it.”

§4“What do you think, householder? Have those who’ve given up greed, hate, and delusion—so they’re cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, and unable to arise in the future—done well in the world, or not? Or how do you see this?” “Those who’ve given up greed, hate, and delusion have done well in the world. That’s how I see it.”

§5“So, householder, you’ve declared: ‘The teaching of those who teach for giving up greed, hate, and delusion is well explained.’ And you’ve declared: ‘Those who practice for giving up greed, hate, and delusion are practicing well.’ And you’ve declared: ‘Those who’ve given up greed, hate, and delusion have done well in the world.’”

What he says in reply

§6“It’s incredible, sir, it’s amazing! There’s no acclaiming your own teaching or disrespecting someone else’s, just teaching what’s relevant in that context. The goal is spoken of, but the self is not involved. You, sir, teach Dhamma for giving up greed, hate, and delusion. Your teaching is well explained. You, sir, practice for giving up greed, hate, and delusion. You in the world are practicing well. You’ve given up greed, hate, and delusion. You in the world have done well.

§7Excellent, sir! Excellent! As if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with clear eyes can see what’s there, Master Ānanda has made the teaching clear in many ways. I go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha. From this day forth, may Master Ānanda remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What does the householder ask?
Correct: B. The three questions are the three refuges, asked as a ranking.
Question 2 of 10
Who are the Ājīvakas?
Correct: B. AN 3.61 sets out and refutes one of their positions at length.
Question 3 of 10
What trap does the guide identify in the question?
Correct: B. The question has a trap in it whichever way it is answered.
Question 4 of 10
What is Ānanda’s move?
Correct: B. Anybody who teaches for the giving up of the three roots is covered.
Question 5 of 10
What does Ānanda do after getting the three answers?
Correct: C. That is the whole discourse.
Question 6 of 10
What four things does the householder’s praise name?
Correct: B. “The goal is spoken of, but the self is not involved.”
Question 7 of 10
Who applies the criteria to Ānanda personally?
Correct: C. A considerable claim, which Ānanda neither accepts nor denies.
Question 8 of 10
What has Ānanda not avoided?
Correct: A. What he avoided was answering by naming a group.
Question 9 of 10
Which other discourses use the same technique?
Correct: A. All three involve somebody who might reasonably have suspected the speaker of special pleading.
Question 10 of 10
Which of the four criteria does the guide call the hardest?
Correct: C. A precise name for what a great deal of religious and educational speech lacks.
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