Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 4.174

With Ānanda

Ānandasutta — Cetanāvagga — the eighteenth chapter of the Fours

Setting
None stated; the Cetanāvagga gives no location for this discourse, and it is addressed to the mendicants directly
Speakers
Venerable Ānanda and Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita
Form
The exchange of AN 4.173 repeated with new speakers, heavily abridged
Length
~1 minute to read
Northern parallel
See AN 4.173; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — the same difficulty as its twin, carried by a shorter text

Why this discourse

Ānanda visits Mahākoṭṭhita and asks the identical fourfold question Mahākoṭṭhita himself put to Sāriputta in the discourse before this one. Mahākoṭṭhita refuses all four exactly as Sāriputta did, and when pressed, gives back the same analysis about proliferation and the six fields of contact, in the same words. The teaching has moved one step down the line, unchanged.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

The same question, the same fourfold refusal, and the same analysis, now given by the disciple who received it rather than the one who first stated it.

A chain, not a repetition

It would be easy to read this discourse as a simple duplicate of AN 4.173 and move on. Reading it that way misses what the pairing actually records: a teaching passing from Sāriputta to Mahākoṭṭhita to, now, Ānanda — not summarized, not paraphrased, but reproduced.

Mahākoṭṭhita does not introduce the answer as his own insight. He gives the identical analysis he received, in the identical words, closing with the identical line: when the six fields of contact fade away and cease with no residue left behind, proliferation stops and is stilled.

That fidelity is itself a demonstration of something AN 4.160, several chapters back, treated as a structural concern for the whole tradition: whether difficult material can be transmitted without drift. Here, in miniature, is a case of it working exactly as that discourse hoped it would.

What is compressed, and why

The manuscript for this discourse abbreviates further than AN 4.173 did. Mahākoṭṭhita’s restatement of the puzzle, which ran to eight full segments in the earlier discourse, is reduced here to two segments and an ellipsis.

By this point in the collection a reader has met the convention often enough to read it correctly: the compiler is recording only what changed — the names, and the fact of the exchange — and trusting the content, already given in full two pages earlier, to be supplied from memory.

This is one of the clearest demonstrations in the Fours of that principle, precisely because the two discourses sit next to each other. A reader can watch the second shrink in real time against the first it depends on.

Why Ānanda, and why Mahākoṭṭhita

The discourse does not explain why Ānanda sought out Mahākoṭṭhita specifically for this question rather than going to Sāriputta directly, and this reading guide does not supply a reason it cannot find in the text.

What can be observed is that the pairing puts two disciples with very different standing into the same exchange — Ānanda, foremost in learning and the collection’s most frequent narrator, and Mahākoṭṭhita, remembered in the tradition chiefly for exactly this kind of precise philosophical questioning. Each plays to type: Mahākoṭṭhita received a hard analytical answer and can reproduce it exactly; Ānanda is the one recording the exchange for transmission, as he does throughout the canon.

The content, unchanged

Everything said about AN 4.173’s content applies here without modification: the four horns, the refusal of all four, the claim that proliferation and the six fields of contact share an identical scope, and the closing statement of cessation without positive content.

Rather than restate that analysis, this page exists to make a narrower point: the same conclusion reached by one chief disciple survives being handed to a second and then recorded by a third, without loss. In a tradition built on memorized transmission, that is not a small thing to have demonstrated twice in successive discourses.

Where it sits

Fourth of the chapter’s ten, and the second half of its tightest pair. What follows turns to a different fourfold refusal, this time about what makes someone antakaro, an ender of suffering — asked of Sāriputta by Upavāṇa in AN 4.175.

Key terms

mā hevaṁ — “don’t put it like that” — Mahākoṭṭhita’s refusal, identical to Sāriputta’s in the discourse before this one.
papañca — “proliferation” — the diagnosis given again here, word for word.
Ānanda — the disciple named foremost in learning, and the canon’s most frequent narrator; here the questioner rather than the reporter.
Mahākoṭṭhita — the disciple remembered chiefly for precise analytical questioning, here shown able to reproduce a hard answer he once received.
channaṁ phassāyatanānaṁ asesavirāganirodha — “the complete fading away and cessation of the six fields of contact” — the condition both discourses take as their starting point.

The text

The discourse in full: the same question, the same refusals, and the same analysis, given by a second disciple. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Ānanda’s question

§1Then Venerable Ānanda went up to Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, Ānanda sat down to one side, and said to Mahākoṭṭhita: “Reverend, when these six fields of contact have faded away and ceased with no residue left behind, does something else exist?”

Four refusals

§2“Don’t put it like that, reverend.” “Does something else no longer exist?” “Don’t put it like that, reverend.” “Does something else both still exist and no longer exist?” “Don’t put it like that, reverend.” “Does something else neither still exist nor no longer exist?” “Don’t put it like that, reverend.”

Ānanda restates the puzzle

§3“Reverend, when asked these questions, you say ‘don’t put it like that’. … How then should we see the meaning of this statement?”

Mahākoṭṭhita’s answer

§4“In saying that, ‘when the six fields of contact have faded away and ceased with no residue left behind, something else exists’, you’re proliferating the unproliferated. In saying that, ‘something else no longer exists’, you’re proliferating the unproliferated. In saying that, ‘something else both still exists and no longer exists’, you’re proliferating the unproliferated. In saying that, ‘something else neither still exists nor no longer exists’, you’re proliferating the unproliferated. The scope of proliferation extends as far as the scope of the six fields of contact. The scope of the six fields of contact extends as far as the scope of proliferation. When the six fields of contact fade away and cease with no residue left behind, proliferation stops and is stilled.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Who asks the fourfold question in this discourse, and of whom?
Correct: B. The same question Mahākoṭṭhita himself asked in AN 4.173.
Question 2 of 10
How does Mahākoṭṭhita answer the four questions?
Correct: B. Not summarized or paraphrased — reproduced.
Question 3 of 10
What does the guide say this pairing actually records?
Correct: B. Not a simple duplicate.
Question 4 of 10
How does this discourse’s manuscript compress the material compared to AN 4.173?
Correct: B. Recording only what changed, trusting the rest to memory.
Question 5 of 10
What earlier discourse treated faithful transmission as a structural concern?
Correct: B. Here, in miniature, is a case of it working as that discourse hoped.
Question 6 of 10
What is Ānanda remembered as foremost in?
Correct: B. Here the questioner rather than the reporter, for once.
Question 7 of 10
What is Mahākoṭṭhita remembered for in the tradition?
Correct: B. Consistent with his role as the one who received and can reproduce the hard answer.
Question 8 of 10
Does the discourse explain why Ānanda asked Mahākoṭṭhita specifically?
Correct: B. What can be observed is only the pairing itself.
Question 9 of 10
What does this page add to AN 4.173’s content?
Correct: B. Not a small thing to demonstrate twice in successive discourses.
Question 10 of 10
What comes next in the chapter?
Correct: B. AN 4.175, where Upavāṇa questions Sāriputta.
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