Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 4.91

Titans

Asurasutta — Asuravagga — the tenth chapter of the Fours

Setting
None stated; the Asuravagga gives no location for this discourse, and it is addressed to the mendicants directly
Speakers
The Buddha alone, addressing the mendicants
Form
A two-by-two grid of a person and their following, each cell defined
Length
~1 minute to read
Northern parallel
The titan-and-god grid appears across the Chinese Āgamas; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — the collection’s standard grid applied to leadership

Why this discourse

Another two-by-two, and the variables this time are a person and the people around them. Unethical with unethical followers; unethical with ethical followers; ethical with unethical followers; ethical with ethical. The chapter takes its name from the titans, and the grid is the same instrument the Fours have already applied to marriages, gifts, and birth.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

A person’s own conduct and the conduct of their following are independent, and there are four combinations.

Titans and gods

Asura and deva. The titans are the traditional adversaries of the gods in Indian cosmology, defeated and cast down from the heaven of the Thirty-Three; AN 4.15 named Rāhu as their lord.

Here the two are used purely as evaluative labels — unethical and ethical — with no cosmological content. That is the same move AN 4.53 made with corpses and goddesses, and AN 4.85 with darkness and light.

The collection reaches for these vivid paired terms whenever it wants a grid, and the definitions are always the same underneath: dussīla pāpadhamma, unethical and of bad character, against sīlavā kalyāṇadhamma.

What is new here

The variable that has changed is the second one. AN 4.53 paired a person with their spouse; AN 4.78 paired a giver with a recipient; AN 4.85 paired a person’s birth with their destination. This pairs a person with their parisā, their following or retinue.

That word covers a wide range — an assembly, a court, a company of students, the people who attach themselves to someone. The discourse does not specify, which makes the grid applicable to any of them.

So this is the collection’s statement about leadership and its company, and it says the obvious thing that is nonetheless routinely denied: the two are not the same and neither determines the other.

The mixed cells

As always, the mixed cells are the content. A person of bad character can have a following of good people, and a person of good character can have a following of bad ones.

The first of those is the more uncomfortable, and it is the one that matters for assessing an institution. The quality of the people gathered around someone is not evidence about that person. Good people can be assembled by someone who is not one, and the discourse says so without qualification.

The second cuts the other way and is a familiar defense: a leader is not automatically convicted by their followers. AN 4.70 said the country follows the king, and this says the correspondence is not guaranteed in either direction — which is worth holding alongside it rather than choosing between them.

Against AN 4.20 and AN 4.70

Three discourses in the Fours address the relation between a person in a position and the people affected. They do not say the same thing, and the differences are the useful part.

AN 4.20 said an assembly whose officers decide by the four prejudices is an assembly of the dregs — a claim that the officers characterize the body. AN 4.70 said the country follows the king down through every rank — a claim about transmission downward. This says the two are simply independent variables.

Read together they are not contradictory but they are differently weighted. AN 4.70 describes a tendency; this describes the range of what actually occurs. A tendency and a set of possibilities are different kinds of claim, and the collection gives both.

Using it

The grid’s practical use is in the two questions it separates. What is this person like? And what are the people around them like? Most assessment collapses these, in both directions.

For someone evaluating a community, teacher, or organization, keeping them apart is the whole of the discipline the discourse asks for. It is also consistent with AN 4.65, which said confidence formed on appearance, voice, or austerity is unreliable and only principle is a measure — the composition of a following is another external impression, and this discourse says it does not measure the person.

Key terms

asura — “titan” — the traditional adversaries of the gods, used here purely as an evaluative label with no cosmological content.
parisā — “following, assembly, retinue” — the second variable; the discourse does not specify what kind, which makes the grid widely applicable.
dussīla pāpadhamma — “unethical, of bad character” — the same definition used under every vivid label the collection reaches for.
sīlavā kalyāṇadhamma — “ethical, of good character” — its positive counterpart, identical across AN 4.53, AN 4.78, and this discourse.
Rāhu — lord of the titans, named at AN 4.15 as foremost in size of body; the cosmological background this discourse leaves aside.

The text

The discourse in full: the four individuals, each defined. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Four individuals

§1“Mendicants, these four individuals are found in the world. What four? A titan surrounded by titans, a titan surrounded by gods, a god surrounded by titans, and a god surrounded by gods.

Titan with titans

§2And how is an individual a titan surrounded by titans? It’s when an individual is unethical, of bad character, and their followers are the same. That’s how an individual is a titan surrounded by titans.

Titan with gods

§3And how is an individual a titan surrounded by gods? It’s when an individual is unethical, of bad character, but their followers are ethical, of good character. That’s how an individual is a titan surrounded by gods.

God with titans

§4And how is an individual a god surrounded by titans? It’s when an individual is ethical, of good character, but their followers are unethical, of bad character. That’s how an individual is a god surrounded by titans.

God with gods

§5And how is an individual a god surrounded by gods? It’s when an individual is ethical, of good character, and their followers are the same. That’s how an individual is a god surrounded by gods. These are the four individuals found in the world.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What two variables make up the grid?
Correct: B. Independent of each other, with four combinations.
Question 2 of 10
How are the titan and god labels used?
Correct: B. The same move AN 4.53 made with corpses and goddesses.
Question 3 of 10
What does parisā cover?
Correct: B. The discourse does not specify, which makes the grid widely applicable.
Question 4 of 10
Which mixed cell does the guide call the more uncomfortable?
Correct: B. Good people can be assembled by someone who is not one.
Question 5 of 10
What does the other mixed cell provide?
Correct: B. The correspondence is not guaranteed in either direction.
Question 6 of 10
What did AN 4.20 claim about officers and assemblies?
Correct: B. A different weighting from this discourse.
Question 7 of 10
What did AN 4.70 claim?
Correct: B. A claim about tendency.
Question 8 of 10
How does the guide relate the three?
Correct: B. A tendency and a set of possibilities are different kinds of claim.
Question 9 of 10
What two questions does the grid separate?
Correct: B. Most assessment collapses these, in both directions.
Question 10 of 10
How does that connect to AN 4.65?
Correct: B. Only principle is a measure.
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