Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 5.30

With Nāgita

Nāgitasutta — Pañcaṅgikavagga — the third chapter of the Fives

Setting
Icchānaṅgala, a Kosalan brahmin village, in a forest nearby; stated at the head of this discourse
Speakers
The Buddha and his attendant, Venerable Nāgita
Form
A narrative frame — a crowd bringing food, a question about noise — opening onto two rounds of the Buddha's own reflection on fame
Length
~4 minutes to read
Northern parallel
The Buddha's wariness of fame and popularity, and meditations on impermanence closing a discourse, are recurring themes across the Chinese Āgamas; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — closes the chapter on its most unguarded and least comfortable note

Why this discourse

This chapter closes not with a list but with a scene: a crowd outside a forest gate, making enough noise that the Buddha mistakes it for fishermen hauling in a catch. When Nāgita explains they have come with food especially for him, the Buddha's response is immediate and severe: may I never become famous. May fame not come to me. What follows is one of the plainest statements in this series of what the Buddha says he does not want, and why — closing with five meditations this reading guide will not soften.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

When brahmins and householders bring food and make a great commotion outside his forest dwelling, the Buddha tells his attendant Nāgita that he wants no part of fame or popularity, calling the pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity ‘filthy’ and ‘lazy’, and closes with five stark meditations on what ordinary pleasures actually lead to.

A crowd, mistaken for fishermen

The discourse opens with an image worth sitting with before its argument begins: the Buddha, hearing a colossal racket outside, assumes it is fishermen hauling in a catch. The comparison is not flattering to the crowd that has actually come — devoted brahmins and householders bringing food specifically for him — and the discourse does not walk it back once Nāgita corrects the mistake.

‘May I never become famous’, said twice

The Buddha's refusal of fame is stated twice in this discourse, word for word identical both times: he does not want fame, because he already has, without trouble or difficulty, the pleasure of renunciation, seclusion, peace, and awakening — and those who lack that pleasure are welcome to the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity instead. The language is unusually blunt for this series; the discourse does not round the phrase ‘filthy, lazy pleasure’ into something gentler.

Nāgita's argument for relenting, and its quiet irony

Between the two identical refusals, Nāgita urges the Buddha to relent, arguing that wherever the Buddha now goes, brahmins and householders will follow — like rain flowing downhill — because of his ethics and wisdom. Nāgita's argument is itself an instance of exactly the kind of appeal to reputation the Buddha has just rejected, and the discourse lets that tension stand without resolving it explicitly before the Buddha simply repeats his refusal and moves on to explain, more fully, why.

Five outcomes, stated without comfort

The discourse's final teaching is five plain observations, each closed by the refrain eso tassa nissando, this is its outcome: food eaten ends as excrement and urine; the loss of loved ones brings grief; meditating on ugliness stabilizes revulsion at beauty; observing impermanence in the six sense fields stabilizes revulsion at contact; observing rise and fall in the five grasping aggregates stabilizes revulsion at grasping. None of these is offered as a comforting thought. They are named as facts about what ordinary attachments and their opposite meditations actually produce, in the plainest terms the discourse can manage.

Key terms

uccāsaddamahāsadda — “a colossal racket” — the noise that opens the discourse, compared by the Buddha to fishermen hauling in a catch.
mīḷhasukha middhasukha — “filthy pleasure, lazy pleasure” — the Buddha's blunt description of the pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity.
nekkhammasukha — “the pleasure of renunciation” — the first of four pleasures the Buddha says he already has without trouble, set against fame.
nissando — “outcome, result” — the refrain closing each of the discourse's five final observations.
pāṭikulyatā — “revulsion, repulsion” — the stabilized result each of the four meditation-based outcomes produces.

The text

The discourse in full: the crowd's arrival, the Buddha's refusal of fame stated twice, Nāgita's argument in between, and the five closing outcomes. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

At Icchānaṅgala

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Kosalans together with a large Saṅgha of mendicants when he arrived at a village of the Kosalan brahmins named Icchānaṅgala. He stayed in a forest near Icchānaṅgala. The brahmins and householders of Icchānaṅgala heard:

§2“It seems the ascetic Gotama—a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family—has arrived at Icchānaṅgala. He is staying in a forest near Icchānaṅgala. He has this good reputation: ‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’ He has realized with his own insight this world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—and he makes it known to others. He proclaims a teaching that is good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased. And he reveals a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure. It’s good to see such perfected ones.”

§3Then, when the night had passed, they took many fresh and cooked foods and went to the forest near Icchānaṅgala, where they stood outside the gates making a colossal racket.

A colossal racket

§4Now, at that time Venerable Nāgita was the Buddha’s attendant. Then the Buddha said to Nāgita, “Nāgita, who’s making that colossal racket? You’d think it was fishermen hauling in a catch!”

§5“Sir, it’s these brahmins and householders of Icchānaṅgala. They’ve brought many fresh and cooked foods, and they’re standing outside the gates wanting to offer it specially to the Buddha and the mendicant Saṅgha.”

“May I never become famous”

§6“Nāgita, may I never become famous. May fame not come to me. There are those who can’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. Let them enjoy the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity.”

Nāgita's argument

§7“Sir, may the Blessed One please relent now! May the Holy One relent! Now is the time for the Buddha to relent. Wherever the Buddha now goes, the brahmins and householders, and people of town and country will incline the same way. It’s like when the heavens rain heavily and the water flows downhill. In the same way, wherever the Buddha now goes, the brahmins and householders, and people of town and country will incline the same way. Why is that? Because of the Buddha’s ethics and wisdom.”

Refused again, and explained

§8“Nāgita, may I never become famous. May fame not come to me. There are those who can’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. Let them enjoy the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity.

Five outcomes

§9What you eat, drink, chew, and taste ends up as excrement and urine. This is its outcome.

§10When loved ones decay and perish, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress arise. This is its outcome.

§11When you pursue meditation on the feature of ugliness, revulsion at the feature of beauty becomes stabilized. This is its outcome.

§12When you meditate observing impermanence in the six fields of contact, revulsion at contact becomes stabilized. This is its outcome.

§13When you meditate observing rise and fall in the five grasping aggregates, revulsion at grasping becomes stabilized. This is its outcome.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What does the Buddha initially mistake the crowd's noise for?
Correct: B. An unflattering comparison the discourse does not walk back.
Question 2 of 10
What is the Buddha's stated reaction to the crowd bringing food specifically for him?
Correct: B. One of the plainest refusals of fame in this series.
Question 3 of 10
How does the Buddha describe the pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity?
Correct: B. Unusually blunt language, not softened in this reading guide's presentation.
Question 4 of 10
What argument does Nāgita make for the Buddha to relent?
Correct: B. An argument the guide notes is itself an appeal to exactly the reputation the Buddha has just rejected.
Question 5 of 10
Does the discourse explicitly resolve the tension in Nāgita's argument appealing to reputation right after the Buddha rejects fame?
Correct: B. The guide flags this as a quiet irony the text does not resolve for the reader.
Question 6 of 10
What refrain closes each of the discourse's five final observations?
Correct: B. The same closing phrase repeated across all five observations.
Question 7 of 10
What is the first of the five outcomes named?
Correct: A. A plain, unflattering observation about ordinary bodily process.
Question 8 of 10
What does meditating on ugliness stabilize, according to the fourth outcome?
Correct: B. One of two meditation-based outcomes closing the discourse.
Question 9 of 10
Are any of these five outcomes offered as comforting?
Correct: B. Consistent with the discourse's overall unguarded tone.
Question 10 of 10
What closes this discourse besides its own content?
Correct: B. Matching the structure already explained in full at AN 5.10 and AN 5.20.
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