Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 7.43

Graduation (2nd)

Dutiyaniddasasutta — Devatāvagga — the fourth chapter of the Sevens

Setting
Kosambī, at Ghosita's Monastery; Ānanda visits a sectarian hermitage before returning to question the Buddha, echoing AN 7.42's narrative but in a different city
Speakers
Wanderers of other religions (reported), Venerable Ānanda, and the Buddha
Form
The identical narrative structure as AN 7.42, with a different named questioner, setting, and closing answer
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
The repetition of a narrative structure with two different senior disciples recurs across the Chinese Āgamas' treatment of the same underlying question; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — the same narrative shape as AN 7.42, worth checking whether the Buddha's actual answer is identical or genuinely different

Why this discourse

AN 7.43 closes this chapter with a narrative matching AN 7.42's shape almost exactly — a senior disciple visits a sectarian hermitage, hears the same twelve-year claim, brings it to the Buddha — but checked term by term, the Buddha's actual answer here is not AN 7.42's seven qualifications from AN 7.20. It is instead the seven personal qualities already met at AN 7.25: faithful, conscientious, prudent, learned, energetic, mindful, and wise.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

A mendicant cannot be called a “graduate” solely for having completed a fixed number of years; being faithful, conscientious, prudent, learned, energetic, mindful, and wise is what actually qualifies someone, whether that takes twelve, twenty-four, thirty-six, or forty-eight years.

The same frame, a genuinely different answer

Ānanda's visit to Ghosita's Monastery at Kosambī, his restraint before the wanderers' claim, and his question to the Buddha all mirror AN 7.42's structure precisely. What changes is the Buddha's actual answer: not the niddasavatthu list reused from AN 7.20, but the personal-quality list already met at AN 7.25 — a shared narrative shell around two genuinely different specific teachings.

Two disciples, two settings, two answers

AN 7.42 features Sāriputta at Sāvatthī, answered with AN 7.20's content; this discourse features Ānanda at Kosambī, answered with AN 7.25's content — a matched pair distinguished by disciple, city, and answer alike, not merely a single detail changed.

Closing this chapter, and this book's opening structural device

This discourse closes Devatāvagga on the same note AN 7.42 opened it with: a rejection of counting years as a substitute for actual qualities, restated with a second complete list, confirming that this book's several sevenfold formulas for graduation, wealth, power, and non-decline all circle back to closely related clusters of the same underlying virtues.

Key terms

Ānanda — the Buddha's attendant, here playing the role Sāriputta played at AN 7.42, questioning the same sectarian claim in a different city.
Kosambī, Ghositārāma — “Kosambī, Ghosita's Monastery” — this discourse's setting, distinct from AN 7.42's Sāvatthī.
saddha, hirimā, ottappī, bahussuta, āraddhavīriya, satimā, paññavā — “faithful, conscientious, prudent, learned, energetic, mindful, wise” — the seven qualities the Buddha names here, identical to AN 7.25's own list rather than AN 7.42's niddasavatthu.
niddasavatthu — “qualifications for graduation” — AN 7.42's own answer, notably absent from this discourse despite the shared narrative frame.
dvādasa vā vassāni... catucattārīsaṁ vā vassāni — the same range of possible durations already named at AN 7.42, closing this discourse identically despite its different specific answer.

The text

The discourse in full: Ānanda's visit to a sectarian hermitage, his question to the Buddha, and the Buddha's answer, drawing on a different seven-item list than AN 7.42's. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The setting, and Ānanda hears the wanderers' claim

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Kosambī, in Ghosita’s Monastery. Then Venerable Ānanda robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Kosambī for alms. Then it occurred to him, “It’s too early to wander for alms in Kosambī. Why don’t I visit the monastery of the wanderers of other religions?” Then he went to the monastery of the wanderers of other religions and exchanged greetings with the wanderers there. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. Now at that time while those wanderers of other religions were sitting together this discussion came up among them, “Reverends, anyone who lives the full and pure spiritual life for twelve years is qualified to be called a ‘graduate mendicant’.”

Ānanda questions the Buddha

§2Ānanda neither approved nor rejected that statement of the wanderers of other religions. He got up from his seat, thinking, “I will learn the meaning of this statement from the Buddha himself.” Then Ānanda wandered for alms in Kosambī. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and told him what had happened, adding: “Sir, in this teaching and training can we describe a mendicant as a ‘graduate’ solely because they have completed a certain number of years?” “No, Ānanda, we cannot. These are the seven qualifications for graduation that I make known after realizing them with my own insight.

The Buddha's answer: seven qualities, not a fixed year-count

§3What seven? It’s when someone is faithful, conscientious, prudent, learned, energetic, mindful, and wise. These are the seven qualifications for graduation that I make known after realizing them with my own insight. A mendicant who possesses these seven qualifications for graduation is qualified to be called a ‘graduate mendicant’. This is so whether they have lived the full and pure spiritual life for twelve years, twenty-four years, thirty-six years, or forty-eight years.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
How does this discourse's narrative shape compare to AN 7.42's?
Correct: B. The same structural shell, with several specific details changed.
Question 2 of 6
What seven qualities does the Buddha actually name here, checked against AN 7.42's answer?
Correct: B. A different specific teaching despite the shared narrative frame.
Question 3 of 6
What details distinguish this discourse from AN 7.42 beyond the Buddha's answer, according to the guide?
Correct: B. A matched pair differing in disciple, city, and answer together.
Question 4 of 6
What does the guide say this discourse confirms about this book's several sevenfold formulas?
Correct: B. A closing note connecting this chapter to this book's recurring vocabulary of virtues.
Question 5 of 6
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: B. A setting distinct from AN 7.42's Sāvatthī, in a discourse otherwise matching its structure.
Question 6 of 6
What earlier discourse's content does the Buddha's answer here match exactly?
Correct: B. The seven personal qualities already given at AN 7.25 earlier in this book.
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