Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 7.59

With Kimbila

Kimilasutta — Abyākatavagga — the sixth chapter of the Sevens, opening its Second Fifty

Setting
Kimbilā, in the Freshwater Mangrove Wood
Speakers
Venerable Kimbila and the Buddha
Form
A mirrored pair of questions and answers, the second simply the first with every negative reversed to a positive
Length
under 1 minute to read
A familiar formula, rescaled
The four-part core of this discourse's seven-item list — respect for the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, and the training — is the same core this book has met before in the Sixes, there extended to six items; here it is extended to seven
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — a short, mirrored pair, easy to read in one sitting

Why this discourse

AN 7.59 has Venerable Kimbila ask why the true teaching does not last long after the Buddha's final quenching, and the Buddha answers with a single cause — a lack of respect for seven things — before Kimbila asks the mirror question and receives the mirror answer: maintaining that same sevenfold respect is what makes the teaching endure.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Whether the true teaching fades quickly or lasts long after the Buddha's final quenching depends on one thing: whether the fourfold community — monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen — maintains respect and reverence for seven things, or lets that respect lapse.

A four-item core, extended to seven for this nipata

The seven objects of respect are the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, immersion, diligence, and hospitality. The first four are the same constant core this book has encountered before, extended in the Sixes to six items with two varying additions across several discourses; here, in the Sevens, the same core is extended to seven, with immersion added ahead of diligence and hospitality.

A single cause, stated by negation and then by its mirror

The discourse gives its cause of decline first — a lack of respect for these seven — in response to Kimbila's first question, then simply reverses every element of that same answer when Kimbila asks the mirror question about what makes the teaching endure. Nothing new is introduced in the second half; the same seven items, and the same causal structure, now stated positively.

Kimbila, and the setting at Kimbilā

Venerable Kimbila's own name and the location, Kimbilā, share the same root, and this brief exchange is the only appearance this book gives him — a single, focused question about what will happen to the teaching once its founder is gone, answered with a single, symmetrical cause.

Key terms

saddhammassa ṭhitiyā — “for the true teaching's endurance” — the underlying concern behind Kimbila's question, and the theme this discourse's answer addresses directly.
satthari agāravā appatissā — “lack respect and reverence for the Teacher” — the first and constant item in this discourse's sevenfold formula, shared with its AN 6 predecessors.
dhamme, saṅghe, sikkhāya — “for the teaching, for the Saṅgha, for the training” — the second through fourth items, completing the four-part constant core.
samādhismiṁ, appamāde, paṭisanthāre — “for immersion, for diligence, for hospitality” — the three items extending the core to seven for this nipata, with immersion newly added ahead of the pair this book has seen vary elsewhere.
parinibbute bhagavati — “after the final quenching of the Blessed One” — the temporal frame both of Kimbila's question and the Buddha's answer, addressing the teaching's fate after his own death.

The text

The discourse in full, both mirrored halves. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Kimbila's question: why the teaching fades

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Kimbilā in the Freshwater Mangrove Wood. Then Venerable Kimbila went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: “What is the cause, sir, what is the reason why the true teaching does not last long after the final quenching of the Realized One?” “Kimbila, it’s when the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen lack respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, immersion, diligence, and hospitality after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause, this is the reason why the true teaching does not last long after the final quenching of the Realized One.”

The mirror question: why the teaching endures

§2“What is the cause, sir, what is the reason why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One?” “Kimbila, it’s when the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen maintain respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, immersion, diligence, and hospitality after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause, this is the reason why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
What question does Venerable Kimbila ask the Buddha at the opening of this discourse?
Correct: B. A question about the teaching's future endurance, not about personal attainment.
Question 2 of 6
According to the guide, what four items form the constant core of this discourse's sevenfold formula?
Correct: B. The same four-item core this book has met before, now extended further.
Question 3 of 6
How does this discourse's seven-item formula compare to the similar formula seen earlier in this book's Sixes, according to the guide?
Correct: B. The formula's extension count tracks the nipata it appears in.
Question 4 of 6
How does the discourse answer Kimbila's second, mirror question about why the teaching endures?
Correct: B. The identical structure and items, stated positively rather than negatively.
Question 5 of 6
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: B. A location sharing its name's root with Kimbila's own name.
Question 6 of 6
How many times does this book feature Venerable Kimbila, according to the guide?
Correct: B. A single, focused appearance, asking one question about the teaching's future.
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