Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 8.11

At Verañjā

Verañjasutta — Mahāvagga — the second chapter of the Eights

Setting
Verañjā, at the root of a neem tree dedicated to Naḷeru — a location unique to this discourse and the next
Speakers
The brahmin Verañja and the Buddha, in direct dialogue
Form
Eight hostile epithets, each accepted in a reinterpreted sense and then set aside, followed by the chicken-and-egg simile and the Buddha's own first-person account of the three knowledges of his awakening night
Length
~6 minutes to read
A famous, substantial discourse
This opens the chapter's own title theme, and is among the tradition's most-cited first-person accounts of the Buddha's own awakening
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — long, with eight repeated exchanges and then a sustained first-person narrative of deep meditative attainment

Why this discourse

The brahmin Verañja confronts the Buddha with eight hostile epithets — that he lacks taste, is indelicate, teaches inaction, teaches annihilation, is disgusted, is an exterminator, is a mortifier, and is immature — and the Buddha accepts each one in a sense of his own choosing, entirely different from what Verañja meant, before giving a chicken-and-egg simile and his own first-person account of the three knowledges that broke him free of ignorance.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Each of Verañja's eight hostile epithets can rightly be said of the Buddha — but only in a sense of the Buddha's own choosing, always about abandoning what is unskillful, never in the accusatory sense Verañja intended; and the Buddha's own claim to be the eldest and first in the world rests on his direct account of the three knowledges realized on the night of his awakening.

Eight epithets, eight reinterpretations

Verañja calls the Buddha, in turn: lacking taste, indelicate, a teacher of inaction, a teacher of annihilation, disgusted, an exterminator, a mortifier, and immature. Each time, the Buddha agrees — but redefines the term around abandoning craving, delight, or unskillful conduct, cut off at the root like a palm stump, then closes with the same refrain: “but that's not what you're talking about.”

The chicken-and-egg simile, and a claim to be eldest

Having set aside all eight accusations, the Buddha turns the conversation with a simile: of many eggs incubated together, the chick that breaks out first is rightly called the eldest, not the youngest. In a population lost in ignorance, swaddled in their shells, the Buddha claims to be the one who broke the egg of ignorance first, making him the eldest and first in the world.

Three knowledges, told in the Buddha's own words

The Buddha then narrates, in first person, the four absorptions and the three knowledges of his awakening night: recollection of his own past lives in the first watch, the death and rebirth of other beings according to their deeds in the middle watch, and the ending of the defilements in the last watch — each called a “breaking out,” like a chick from its shell. Verañja, persuaded, goes for refuge as a lay follower for life.

Key terms

rasapaṭisaṁvedī, arasarūpo — “lacks taste, indelicate” — the first two of Verañja's eight epithets, each reinterpreted around the Buddha's own abandonment of taste and delight for sense objects.
akiriyavādo, ucchedavādo — “teacher of inaction, teacher of annihilationism” — the third and fourth epithets, redefined around the cessation of unskillful qualities and defilements, not doctrine denying moral consequence.
jegucchī, venayiko, tapassī, apagabbho — “disgusted, exterminator, mortifier, immature” — the remaining four epithets, each reinterpreted the same way, closing with the recurring refrain that this isn't what Verañja meant.
jeṭṭho seṭṭho lokassa — “the eldest and first in the world” — the Buddha's own claim, following the chicken-and-egg simile, to have been the first to break out of ignorance.
tisso vijjā — “the three knowledges” — recollection of past lives, the death and rebirth of beings, and the ending of defilements, the three “breakings-out” of the awakening night, told here in the Buddha's own first-person voice.

The text

The discourse in full: Verañja's eight epithets, the chicken-and-egg simile, and the Buddha's own account of his awakening. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The setting, and Verañja's opening accusation

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying in Verañjā at the root of a neem tree dedicated to Naḷeru. Then the brahmin Verañja went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha: “Worthy Gotama, I have heard that the ascetic Gotama doesn’t bow to old brahmins, the elderly and senior, who are advanced in years and have reached the final stage of life; nor does he rise in their presence or offer them a seat. And this is indeed the case, for the worthy Gotama does not bow to old brahmins, elderly and senior, who are advanced in years and have reached the final stage of life; nor does he rise in their presence or offer them a seat. This is not appropriate, worthy Gotama.” “Brahmin, I don’t see anyone in this world—with its gods, Māras, and Divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans—for whom I should bow down or rise up or offer a seat. If the Realized One bowed down or rose up or offered a seat to anyone, their head would explode!”

Eight epithets, each reinterpreted

§2“Worthy Gotama lacks taste.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I lack taste. For the Realized One has given up taste for sights, sounds, smells, tastes, and touches. It’s cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, and unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I lack taste. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is indelicate.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m indelicate. For the Realized One has given up delight in sights, sounds, smells, tastes, and touches. It’s cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, and unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m indelicate. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is a teacher of inaction.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m a teacher of inaction. For I teach inaction regarding bad bodily, verbal, and mental conduct, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m a teacher of inaction. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is a teacher of annihilationism.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m a teacher of annihilationism. For I teach the annihilation of greed, hate, and delusion, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m a teacher of annihilationism. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is disgusted.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m disgusted. For I’m disgusted by bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind, and by attainment of the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m disgusted. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is an exterminator.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m an exterminator. For I teach the extermination of greed, hate, and delusion, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m an exterminator. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is a mortifier.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m a mortifier. For I say that bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind should be mortified. I say that a mortifier is someone who has given up unskillful qualities that should be mortified. They’ve cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. The Realized One is someone who has given up unskillful qualities that should be mortified. He has cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m a mortifier. But that’s not what you’re talking about.” “Worthy Gotama is immature.” “There is, brahmin, a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m immature. I say that an immature person is someone who has given up future wombs and regeneration into a new state of existence. They’ve cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. The Realized One has given up future wombs and regeneration into a new state of existence. He has cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m immature. But that’s not what you’re talking about.

The chicken-and-egg simile

§3Suppose, brahmin, there was a chicken with eight or ten or twelve eggs. And she properly sat on them to keep them warm and incubated. Now, the chick that is first to break out of the eggshell with its claws and beak and hatch safely: should that be called the eldest or the youngest?” “Worthy Gotama, that should be called the eldest. For it is the eldest among them.” “In the same way, in this population lost in ignorance, swaddled in their shells, I alone have broken open the egg of ignorance and realized the supreme perfect awakening. So, brahmin, I am the eldest and the first in the world.

The four absorptions

§4My energy was roused up and unflagging, my mindfulness was established and lucid, my body was tranquil and undisturbed, and my mind was immersed in samādhi. Quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unskillful qualities, I entered and remained in the first absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of seclusion, while placing the mind and keeping it connected. As the placing of the mind and keeping it connected were stilled, I entered and remained in the second absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of immersion, with internal clarity and mind at one, without placing the mind and keeping it connected. And with the fading away of rapture, I entered and remained in the third absorption, where I meditated with equanimity, mindful and aware, personally experiencing the bliss of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous and mindful, one meditates in bliss.’ With the giving up of pleasure and pain, and the ending of former happiness and sadness, I entered and remained in the fourth absorption, without pleasure or pain, with pure equanimity and mindfulness.

The three knowledges

§5When my mind had immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—I extended it toward recollection of past lives. I recollected many kinds of past lives. That is: one, two, three, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred, a thousand, a hundred thousand rebirths; many eons of the world contracting, many eons of the world expanding, many eons of the world contracting and expanding. I remembered: ‘There, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn somewhere else. There, too, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn here.’ And so I recollected my many kinds of past lives, with features and details. This was the first knowledge, which I achieved in the first watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and knowledge arose; darkness was banished and light arose, as happens for a meditator who is diligent, keen, and resolute. This was my first breaking out, like a chick breaking out of the eggshell. When my mind had immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—I extended it toward knowledge of the death and rebirth of sentient beings. With clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, I saw sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. I understood how sentient beings pass on according to their deeds: ‘These dear beings did bad things by way of body, speech, and mind. They denounced the noble ones; they had wrong view; and they chose to act out of that wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell. These dear beings, however, did good things by way of body, speech, and mind. They never denounced the noble ones; they had right view; and they chose to act out of that right view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’ And so, with clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, I saw sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. I understood how sentient beings pass on according to their deeds. This was the second knowledge, which I achieved in the middle watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and knowledge arose; darkness was banished and light arose, as happens for a meditator who is diligent, keen, and resolute. This was my second breaking out, like a chick breaking out of the eggshell. When my mind had immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—I extended it toward knowledge of the ending of defilements. I truly understood: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’. I truly understood: ‘These are defilements’ … ‘This is the origin of defilements’ … ‘This is the cessation of defilements’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of defilements’. Knowing and seeing like this, my mind was freed from the defilements of sensuality, desire to be reborn, and ignorance. When it was freed, I knew it was freed. I understood: ‘Rebirth is ended; the spiritual journey has been completed; what had to be done has been done; there is nothing further for this place.’ This was the third knowledge, which I achieved in the last watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and knowledge arose; darkness was banished and light arose, as happens for a meditator who is diligent, keen, and resolute. This was my third breaking out, like a chick breaking out of the eggshell.”

Verañja goes for refuge

§6When he said this, the brahmin Verañja said to the Buddha: “The worthy Gotama is the eldest! The worthy Gotama is the best! Excellent, worthy Gotama! Excellent! As if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with clear eyes can see what’s there, worthy Gotama has made the teaching clear in many ways. I go for refuge to the worthy Gotama, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha. From this day forth, may the worthy Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
How does the Buddha respond to each of Verañja's eight hostile epithets?
Correct: B. Acceptance with reinterpretation, closing each with 'but that's not what you're talking about.'
Question 2 of 6
What does the chicken-and-egg simile illustrate?
Correct: B. A claim to priority based on who broke free first, not on chronological birth order.
Question 3 of 6
What are the three knowledges the Buddha describes realizing on his awakening night?
Correct: B. One knowledge per watch of the night, each called a 'breaking out.'
Question 4 of 6
What happens at the end of this discourse?
Correct: B. A full conversion, closing the dialogue.
Question 5 of 6
According to the guide, what does the Buddha's response to each epithet consistently reinterpret it around?
Correct: B. A consistent redefinition around inner abandonment, not the accusatory sense intended.
Question 6 of 6
What does 'teacher of annihilationism' come to mean, in the Buddha's own reinterpretation?
Correct: B. Not metaphysical annihilationism, but the ending of defilements.
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