Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 8.26

With Jīvaka

Jīvakasutta — Gahapativagga — the third chapter of the Eights

Setting
Rājagaha, in Jīvaka's own Mango Grove
Speakers
Jīvaka Komārabhacca and the Buddha
Form
The identical four-question structure as AN 8.25, compressed in its own source text by an internal ellipsis across the middle two questions
Length
~2 minutes to read
The same teaching, a different asker
Jīvaka Komārabhacca, the physician credited with treating the Buddha himself, receives the identical four-part answer Mahānāma received at AN 8.25, in his own mango grove near Rājagaha
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — brief, best read as a direct companion to AN 8.25

Why this discourse

Jīvaka Komārabhacca, the physician, asks the Buddha the same four questions Mahānāma asked at AN 8.25 — how a lay follower is defined, what makes one ethical, and what distinguishes practicing only for oneself from practicing for both oneself and others — and receives word for word the same answers.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Jīvaka receives the identical four-part definition of a lay follower that Mahānāma received at AN 8.25: refuge alone, refuge plus the five precepts, an eightfold list of qualities held privately, and the same eight actively encouraged in others as well.

A different asker, the same teaching

Where AN 8.25 features Mahānāma the Sakyan, a member of the Buddha's own extended clan, this discourse features Jīvaka Komārabhacca, the renowned physician associated elsewhere in the tradition with treating the Buddha's own ailments — a different social position, the same four questions, the same four answers.

Compressed by the source's own ellipsis

Unlike AN 8.25, which spells out all four answers in full, this discourse's own source text compresses the middle two answers — the definition of an ethical lay follower and much of the third definition — using an internal ellipsis, trusting the reader to supply what AN 8.25 already gave in full.

Why the same teaching recurs with a new name

This discourse doesn't add new content to AN 8.25's teaching; its interest lies in who receives it. A physician known for treating bodies receives the same graduated ladder toward benefiting both oneself and others that a Sakyan nobleman received — the same path, open regardless of profession or social standing.

Key terms

upāsako — “lay follower” — the identical subject and identical first definition as AN 8.25: refuge to the Buddha, the teaching, and the Saṅgha.
jīvako komārabhacco — Jīvaka Komārabhacca, the royal physician who asks these questions in his own mango grove, a figure elsewhere in the tradition associated with the Buddha's own medical care.
attahitāya paṭipanno no parahitāya — “practicing to benefit themselves, not others” — the same eightfold private list as AN 8.25, here compressed by the source's own internal ellipsis.
attahitāya ca paṭipanno parahitāya ca — “practicing to benefit both themselves and others” — the same eightfold list, spelled out in full for this discourse's own closing answer.
saddhāsampanno ... sīlasampanno ... cāgasampanno — “accomplished in faith ... ethical conduct ... generosity” — the shared eight qualities running through both this discourse and AN 8.25 alike.

The text

The discourse in full: the same four questions Mahānāma asked, this time from the physician Jīvaka. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

What defines a lay follower?

§1At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha in Jīvaka’s Mango Grove. Then Jīvaka Komārabhacca went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him, “Sir, how is a lay follower defined?” “Jīvaka, when you’ve gone for refuge to the Buddha, the teaching, and the Saṅgha, you’re considered to be a lay follower.”

What defines an ethical lay follower?

§2“But how is an ethical lay follower defined?” “When a lay follower doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit sexual misconduct, lie, or consume beer, wine, and liquor intoxicants, they’re considered to be an ethical lay follower.”

Practicing for one's own benefit only

§3“But how do we define a lay follower who is practicing to benefit themselves, not others?” “A lay follower is accomplished in faith, but doesn’t encourage others to do the same. They’re accomplished in ethical conduct … they’re accomplished in generosity … they like to see the mendicants … they like to hear the true teaching … they memorize the teachings … they examine the meaning … Understanding the meaning and the teaching, they practice in line with the teaching, but they don’t encourage others to do the same. That’s how we define a lay follower who is practicing to benefit themselves, not others.”

Practicing for the benefit of both oneself and others

§4“But how do we define a lay follower who is practicing to benefit both themselves and others?” “A lay follower is accomplished in faith and encourages others to do the same. They’re accomplished in ethical conduct and encourage others to do the same. They’re accomplished in generosity and encourage others to do the same. They like to see the mendicants and encourage others to do the same. They like to hear the true teaching and encourage others to do the same. They readily memorize the teachings they’ve heard and encourage others to do the same. They examine the meaning of the teachings they’ve memorized and encourage others to do the same. Understanding the meaning and the teaching, they practice in line with the teaching and they encourage others to do the same. That’s how we define a lay follower who is practicing to benefit both themselves and others.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
How does this discourse relate to AN 8.25?
Correct: B. The same teaching, given to a different asker in a different setting.
Question 2 of 6
Who is Jīvaka Komārabhacca?
Correct: B. A renowned physician, asking in his own mango grove.
Question 3 of 6
How does this discourse's source text handle the middle two answers, compared to AN 8.25?
Correct: B. A self-abbreviation, relying on the fuller text just given at AN 8.25.
Question 4 of 6
According to the guide, what is this discourse's real point in repeating AN 8.25's teaching?
Correct: B. The interest lies in who receives the teaching, not in new content.
Question 5 of 6
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: B. A location named for Jīvaka himself, distinct from AN 8.25's setting.
Question 6 of 6
What is the single factor distinguishing the third and fourth definitions, as in AN 8.25?
Correct: B. The identical single variable met at AN 8.25.
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