Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 8.52

An Adviser for Nuns

Ovādasutta — Gotamīvagga — the sixth chapter of the Eights, opening the Second Fifty

Setting
Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof — the same location as AN 8.51's own closing scene
Speakers
Venerable Ānanda, asking, and the Buddha, answering
Form
A direct question from Ānanda, answered with an eight-item list of qualifications
Length
under 1 minute to read
A structural follow-on to AN 8.51
Coming immediately after the bhikkhunī order's founding, this discourse addresses a practical question the previous discourse's eight garudhamma made newly urgent: who is actually qualified to serve in the advisory role those principles establish
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — brief and direct, worth reading alongside AN 8.51

Why this discourse

Asked by Ānanda how many qualities a monk needs to be deemed an adviser for nuns, the Buddha names eight: ethical conduct, deep learning, mastery of both monastic codes, articulate speech, the ability to inspire the community of nuns, being well liked by most of them, a clean record with no prior sexual harassment of any nun, and at least twenty years of ordination.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

A monk qualified to advise nuns must be ethical, learned in the teachings, thoroughly versed in both monastic codes, an articulate and inspiring speaker, well liked by most nuns, free of any history of sexually harassing a nun, and ordained for at least twenty years.

A question this discourse's placement makes urgent

Following directly after AN 8.51's account of the bhikkhunī order's founding and its eight garudhamma — several of which require nuns to depend on the monks' community for guidance, the sabbath date, and instruction — this discourse's question isn't abstract: it asks who is actually fit to fill that dependent role responsibly.

An explicit disciplinary safeguard

Among the eight qualities, one stands out for its specificity and its plain acknowledgment of a real risk: a monk qualified to advise nuns must never have previously sexually harassed any woman who has gone forth in the Buddha's name. This reading guide notes the requirement as the text states it, without softening its implication that this was a known, named concern.

Seniority as a floor, not a substitute

The eighth and final requirement, twenty years of ordination, functions as a floor rather than a sufficient qualification on its own — it closes a list where ethical conduct, learning, communication skill, and a clean disciplinary record all come first, suggesting seniority alone was not considered adequate grounds for this responsibility.

Key terms

bhikkhunovādako — “an adviser for nuns” — this discourse's own title-role, the qualification Ānanda's question concerns.
ubhayāni kho panassa pātimokkhāni vitthārena svāgatāni honti — “both monastic codes have been passed down to them in detail” — the third quality, requiring mastery of both the monks' and the nuns' own codes of discipline.
bhikkhunisaṅghassa piyo hoti manāpo — “likable and agreeable to most of the nuns” — the sixth quality, requiring the community's own regard, not merely formal qualification.
na ca pubbe ocarakaṁ katvā gahitapubbo hoti kāsāyavatthavasanāya — “never previously sexually harassed any woman wearing the ocher robe who has gone forth” — the seventh and most specific quality, an explicit disciplinary requirement.
vīsativassavāsī vā atirekavīsativassavāsī vā — “ordained for twenty years or more” — the eighth and final requirement, a seniority floor closing the list.

The text

The discourse in full: Ānanda's question and the eight qualifications the Buddha names in answer. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Ānanda's question, and eight qualifications

§1At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof. Then Venerable Ānanda went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to the Buddha: “Sir, how many qualities should a monk have to be deemed an adviser for nuns?” “Ānanda, a monk with eight qualities may be deemed an adviser for nuns. What eight? Firstly, a monk is ethical, restrained in the monastic code, conducting themselves well and resorting for alms in suitable places. Seeing danger in the slightest fault, they keep the rules they’ve undertaken. They’re learned, remembering and keeping what they’ve learned. These teachings are good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased, describing a spiritual practice that’s totally full and pure. They are very learned in such teachings, remembering them, reciting them, mentally scrutinizing them, and penetrating them theoretically. Both monastic codes have been passed down to them in detail, well analyzed, well mastered, well evaluated in both the rules and accompanying material. They’re a good speaker who enunciates well. Their voice is polished, clear, articulate, and expresses the meaning. They’re able to educate, encourage, fire up, and inspire the community of nuns. They’re likable and agreeable to most of the nuns. They have never previously sexually harassed any woman wearing the ocher robe who has gone forth in the Buddha’s name. They have been ordained for twenty years or more. A monk with these eight qualities may be deemed an adviser for nuns.”

· · ·

Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
What question does Ānanda bring to the Buddha in this discourse?
Correct: B. A practical question following directly from AN 8.51's account of the order's founding.
Question 2 of 6
Why does the guide describe this discourse's question as urgent given its placement after AN 8.51?
Correct: B. A structural follow-on addressing a concrete implication of the previous discourse.
Question 3 of 6
What explicit disciplinary requirement appears among the eight qualities?
Correct: B. A specific safeguard, stated plainly rather than softened.
Question 4 of 6
What is the eighth and final requirement?
Correct: B. A seniority floor, closing a list where several other qualities come first.
Question 5 of 6
According to the guide, what does the ordering of the eight qualities suggest about seniority alone?
Correct: B. Twenty years closes the list, after several other requirements come first.
Question 6 of 6
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: B. The same location as AN 8.51's own closing scene.
Answered 0 of 6 · Correct 0