Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 9.13

With Koṭṭhita

Koṭṭhikasutta — Sīhanādavagga — the second chapter of the Nines

Setting
Not restated; understood to continue in the same general setting as the chapter
Speakers
Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita questioning Venerable Sāriputta
Form
Ten paired questions, each answered ‘certainly not,’ then a direct question and Sāriputta's own answer
Length
~3 minutes to read
A negative approach to a positive answer
Ten denials clear away wrong reasons before the real goal — knowing the four noble truths — is finally named
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — repetitive but philosophically pointed, worth reading for what it rules out

Why this discourse

Mahākoṭṭhita puts ten paired questions to Sāriputta, each asking whether the spiritual life is lived so that karmic results might be rearranged — experienced in a different life, felt as pleasant instead of painful, ripened early or late, felt more or less than their due, or avoided altogether — and Sāriputta answers ‘certainly not’ to every one, before naming the real goal: to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend the four noble truths.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

The spiritual life is not lived to rearrange the results of past deeds in any way, but to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend what is otherwise unknown, unseen, unattained, unrealized, and uncomprehended: the four noble truths.

Ten ways of misunderstanding karma, ruled out

Mahākoṭṭhita's ten questions test five paired misconceptions: that deeds ripening now might instead ripen later or vice versa, that painful results might become pleasant or vice versa, that ripening might be sped up or delayed, that a large result might be reduced or a small one magnified, and that karmic results might be avoided altogether or invented from nothing. Sāriputta rejects every one without qualification.

Clearing ground before building

The discourse's structure is deliberately negative before it is positive: only once all ten wrong reasons have been explicitly ruled out does Mahākoṭṭhita ask the direct question — what, then, is the goal? — and only then does Sāriputta answer.

The four noble truths, named without being spelled out again

Sāriputta's answer names suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice leading to its cessation as “the unknown, unseen, unattained, unrealized, and uncomprehended” that the spiritual life exists to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend — the same four truths spelled out in full at their most famous setting, the first sermon, here simply named in their standard four-part form.

Key terms

idha vuttavedanīyaṁ kammaṁ samparāye vuttavedanīyaṁ hoti — “deeds to be experienced in this life be experienced in lives to come” — the first of ten misconceptions Mahākoṭṭhita tests and Sāriputta rejects.
ekantadukkhavedanīyaṁ kammaṁ — “deeds to be experienced as painful” — part of the second pair of questions, testing whether painful results might become pleasant.
bahuṁ vā vedanīyaṁ kammaṁ appaṁ vedanīyaṁ — “deeds to be experienced a lot be experienced a little” — the fourth pair, testing whether the scale of karmic results can be altered.
aññātassa aññātaṁ, adiṭṭhassa diṭṭhaṁ — “to know, see... that which is unknown, unseen” — Sāriputta's own positive answer, naming the goal in place of the ten rejected misconceptions.
idaṁ dukkhanti... ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadāti — the four noble truths, named in their standard form as what the spiritual life exists to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend.

The text

The discourse in full: ten questions each answered ‘certainly not,’ then Sāriputta's own answer naming the four noble truths as the real goal. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Ten questions, ten denials

§1Then Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita went up to Venerable Sāriputta, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Sāriputta: “Reverend Sāriputta, is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced in this life be experienced by me in lives to come’?” “Certainly not, reverend.” “Then is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced in lives to come be experienced by me in this life’?” “Certainly not.” “Is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced as pleasant be experienced by me as painful’?” “Certainly not.” “Then is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced as painful be experienced by me as pleasant’?” “Certainly not.” “Is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced when ripe be experienced by me when unripe’?” “Certainly not.” “Then is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced when unripe be experienced by me when ripe’?” “Certainly not.” “Is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced a lot be experienced by me a little’?” “Certainly not.” “Then is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced a little be experienced by me a lot’?” “Certainly not.” “Is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds to be experienced by me be not experienced’?” “Certainly not.” “Then is the spiritual life led under the Buddha for this goal: ‘May deeds not to be experienced be experienced’?” “Certainly not.”

§2“Reverend Sāriputta, when you were asked whether the spiritual life was lived under the Buddha so that deeds to be experienced in this life are experienced in lives to come, you said, ‘Certainly not’. When you were asked whether the spiritual life was lived under the Buddha so that deeds to be experienced in lives to come are experienced in this life … deeds to be experienced as pleasant are experienced as painful … deeds to be experienced as painful are experienced as pleasant … deeds to be experienced when ripe are experienced when unripe … deeds to be experienced when unripe are experienced when ripe … deeds to be experienced a lot are experienced a little … deeds to be experienced a little are experienced a lot … deeds to be experienced are not experienced … When you were asked whether the spiritual life was lived under the Buddha so that deeds not to be experienced are experienced, you said, ‘Certainly not.’ Then what exactly is the goal of leading the spiritual life under the Buddha?”

The real goal, named

§3“Reverend, the spiritual life is lived under the Buddha to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend that which is unknown, unseen, unattained, unrealized, and uncomprehended.” “But what is the unknown, unseen, unattained, unrealized, and uncomprehended?” “‘This is suffering.’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering.’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering.’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering.’ … This is the unknown, unseen, unattained, unrealized, and uncomprehended. The spiritual life is lived under the Buddha to know, see, attain, realize, and comprehend this.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
What does Mahākoṭṭhita's first pair of questions test?
Correct: B. The first of five paired misconceptions about rearranging karmic results.
Question 2 of 6
How does Sāriputta answer every one of the ten questions?
Correct: B. Every misconception about rearranging karma is flatly rejected.
Question 3 of 6
What structural choice does the discourse make before revealing the real goal?
Correct: B. Negative clearing before the positive answer.
Question 4 of 6
What is the real goal Sāriputta names for the spiritual life?
Correct: B. Named as “the unknown, unseen, unattained” in their standard four-part form.
Question 5 of 6
According to the guide, where else are the four noble truths spelled out in their most famous setting?
Correct: B. Named here in standard form rather than spelled out afresh.
Question 6 of 6
Who questions whom in this discourse?
Correct: B. One chief disciple questioning another, without the Buddha present in the dialogue itself.
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