Itivuttaka · The Book of the Threes · Iti 81

Esteem

“This was said by the Buddha, the Perfected One: that is what I heard.”

Setting
None given — no place, audience, or occasion; the teaching opens directly, as in almost every Itivuttaka discourse
Form
A spare prose statement (three ways of being overwhelmed by honor and dishonor) followed by a two-stanza verse giving the unshaken alternative
Length
~1 minute to read
Book
The Book of the Threes (Iti 60–99), Chapter Four
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — short and direct, though the closing verse compresses several technical terms

Why this discourse, eighty-first

It would be easy to assume that only dishonor — being slighted, overlooked, disrespected — is spiritually dangerous, and that being honored is simply good fortune. This discourse corrects that assumption bluntly: the Buddha names three separate ways a mind can be “overcome and overwhelmed,” and honor itself, taken to heart, is just as capable of leading to a bad rebirth as its absence. What is dangerous is not honor or dishonor as such, but being overwhelmed by either — and the verse's answer is not indifference to people, but an immersion so settled it simply doesn't tip either way.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Being overcome by honor, by dishonor, or by both in turn are three distinct ways a mind can be dragged toward a bad rebirth — and what protects against all three is not avoiding people's opinions but an unwavering mind, settled in the immeasurable qualities, that treats being esteemed and being ignored as equally beside the point.

Three cases, one destination

The prose section is built from three parallel statements, each introduced with “I’ve seen, mendicants, sentient beings whose minds are overcome and overwhelmed” — first by honor, then by not being honored, then by both together. Each time, the consequence given is identical: “when their body broke up, after death, they were reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.” The discourse does not soften or vary the outcome across the three cases. Structurally, this is unusual among the Itivuttaka's threes, which more often pair a fault against its virtuous opposite (as in Iti 87's six thoughts, three harmful and three skillful). Here, instead, all three variations — being overwhelmed by praise, by its absence, and by the oscillation between them — land in the same place. The point is less about a symmetrical structure than about closing off every door: there is no safe way to let honor or its lack take over the mind.

“I only say it because I’ve known…”

The prose section closes with an unusual note of first-person authority: “Now, I don’t say this because I’ve heard it from some other ascetic or brahmin. I only say it because I’ve known, seen, and realized it for myself.” This small addendum, appearing in only a handful of Itivuttaka discourses, marks the claim as something the Buddha is putting forward on the strength of his own direct realization — not secondhand doctrine, not something inherited from another teacher's authority, but observed and confirmed personally. It is a quiet but firm way of underlining that what follows isn't speculation about how minds tend to work, but a reported fact.

The verse: unwavering, not indifferent

The two-stanza verse doesn't describe someone who has simply stopped caring what others think. It describes someone whose “immersion doesn’t waver” whether they are honored, not honored, or both — because they “abide in the immeasurables,” the four boundless qualities of love, compassion, appreciative joy, and equanimity extended without limit to all beings. The second stanza adds two further supports: persistent practice of absorption (jhāna) “with subtle view and discernment,” and “rejoicing in the ending of grasping.” The composite picture is of a mind stabilized from two directions at once — by meditative absorption paired with insight, and by an unlimited goodwill that isn't contingent on how one happens to be treated. Such a person, the verse concludes, “is said to be a true person” (sappurisa) — one of the canon's standard honorifics for someone whose inner state matches their outer reputation, or exceeds it.

A caution worth sitting with

For practitioners, especially those active in any kind of teaching or public role, the discourse's insistence on naming honor itself as a hazard is worth taking seriously. It is easy to treat criticism as the spiritual danger and praise as simply pleasant. This sutta declines that convenient asymmetry: both are capable of overwhelming an unprepared mind, and both call for the same remedy.

Key terms

māna (in the title) — here carrying the sense of “esteem” or being honored/regarded, the condition examined from three angles in this discourse; note this is distinct from the more common technical term māna meaning “conceit,” though the two are related in how they operate on the mind.
overcome and overwhelmed — the discourse's repeated diagnostic phrase for a mind that has lost its footing to an external condition, whichever direction that condition runs.
the immeasurables (appamaññā) — the four boundless qualities — love, compassion, appreciative joy, equanimity — extended without limit; named here as what keeps immersion steady regardless of how one is treated.
subtle view and discernment — the pairing of meditative absorption with insight that, alongside the immeasurables, stabilizes the mind described in the verse.
a true person (sappurisa) — the discourse's closing honorific for one whose immersion doesn't waver under either honor or its absence.

The text

The discourse in full: three parallel statements on being overwhelmed by honor and dishonor, and the two-stanza verse restating the point. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1This was said by the Buddha, the Perfected One: that is what I heard.

§2“I’ve seen, mendicants, sentient beings whose minds are overcome and overwhelmed by honor. When their body broke up, after death, they were reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.

§3I’ve seen sentient beings whose minds are overcome and overwhelmed by not being honored. When their body broke up, after death, they were reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.

§4I’ve seen sentient beings whose minds are overcome and overwhelmed by both honor and by not being honored. When their body broke up, after death, they were reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.

§5Now, I don’t say this because I’ve heard it from some other ascetic or brahmin. I only say it because I’ve known, seen, and realized it for myself.”

The Buddha spoke this matter. On this it is said:

§9–10“Whether they’re honored
or not honored, or both,
their immersion doesn’t waver
as they abide in the immeasurables.

They persistently practice absorption
with subtle view and discernment.
Rejoicing in the ending of grasping,
they’re said to be a true person.”

§11This too is a matter that was spoken by the Blessed One: that is what I heard.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
According to this discourse, what happens to a mind "overcome and overwhelmed by honor"?
Correct: C. Being overwhelmed by honor gets the identical grave consequence as being overwhelmed by dishonor.
Question 2 of 10
How many distinct cases of being "overcome and overwhelmed" does the prose section describe?
Correct: B. All three, the text says, lead to the same bad rebirth.
Question 3 of 10
What does the Buddha say about the source of this teaching?
Correct: D. A rare first-person note of direct authority, found in only a handful of Itivuttaka discourses.
Question 4 of 10
According to the verse, what keeps immersion from wavering whether one is honored or not?
Correct: A. The verse names the immeasurables directly as what steadies the mind either way.
Question 5 of 10
What two further qualities does the second stanza add?
Correct: C. Meditative absorption paired with insight, plus joy at the ending of grasping.
Question 6 of 10
What honorific does the verse use for the person it describes?
Correct: B. A standard canonical honorific for someone whose inner state matches, or exceeds, their outer reputation.
Question 7 of 10
Does this discourse suggest that being honored is spiritually safer than being dishonored?
Correct: D. All three cases in the prose section share the identical grim outcome.
Question 8 of 10
What narrative frame — setting, audience, or occasion — does this discourse give?
Correct: A. The Itivuttaka's discourses are typically stripped to bare teaching, without narrative setting.
Question 9 of 10
What is the Itivuttaka's characteristic two-part form, as shown in this discourse?
Correct: C. Prose first, then verse — the Itivuttaka's signature structure, seen here as in nearly every entry in the collection.
Question 10 of 10
How does the discourse's threefold structure differ from many other "threes" in the Itivuttaka (such as Iti 87's six thoughts)?
Correct: B. The point isn't a symmetrical pairing but closing off every door through which honor or its absence could overwhelm the mind.
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