Majjhima Nikāya · Discourse 70

At Kīṭāgiri

Kīṭāgirisutta

Setting
Wandering in the land of the Kāsis, arriving at the town of Kīṭāgiri
Speakers
The Buddha and the mendicants who followed Assaji and Punabbasuka — a pair of notorious monks who refuse to give up eating at night
Form
A confrontation turned into a graded teaching — the Buddha meets stubborn resistance with patience, reframes the rule by the principle behind it, and lays out the path of gradual training and the seven kinds of practitioner.
Length
~18 minutes to read
Northern parallel
MĀ 195 (Madhyama-āgama 195)
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — substantial; the principle of discerning feelings, the map of seven persons, and the gradual-training sequence repay slow reading.

Why this discourse, seventieth

A simple rule — do not eat at night — meets a flat refusal: “Why should we give up what is apparent in the present to chase after what takes effect over time?” From this small act of obstinacy the Buddha draws out one of the most structured teachings in the collection: how a precept is grounded not in his authority but in observed experience, how awakening is reached by gradual steps rather than all at once, and how seven kinds of practitioner stand at different points along the way.

The trouble begins on the road. Wandering through the land of the Kāsis, the Buddha tells the monks that he abstains from eating at night and finds himself “healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably,” and that they should do likewise. But at the town of Kīṭāgiri live the followers of Assaji and Punabbasuka — a pair of monks the tradition remembers for corrupting lay supporters with superficial charm. When fellow mendicants relay the Buddha’s advice, they brush it aside: they eat “at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day,” feel fine, and see no reason to trade a present comfort for a distant benefit. Their argument is, in fact, Māra’s own — and the fallacy is exact: it is sensual indulgence that “takes time,” binding one to rebirth, while the teaching is the thing that bears fruit here and now.

The Buddha summons them, and what follows is a quiet masterclass in how to teach the unwilling. He does not begin with the rule. He begins by establishing common ground — getting them to agree to a principle they already accept — and only then shows that the rule follows from it. The discourse then opens outward into the great architecture of the path: feelings judged by their fruit, the seven persons from the follower-by-faith to the one freed both ways, and the famous resolve that “only skin, sinews, and bones remain” before energy is relaxed.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

A precept is justified not by the Teacher’s authority but by what experience shows — a feeling is to be pursued or abandoned according to whether skillful qualities grow or decline through it; and since awakening comes by gradual training, not all at once, the practitioner’s task is the patient, energetic effort that carries one through seven stages from faith to final freedom.

The refusal, and the fallacy inside it

The followers of Assaji and Punabbasuka make an argument that sounds shrewd: why surrender “what is apparent in the present” — the pleasant fact of a meal — “to chase after what takes effect over time”? It even borrows the Buddha’s own language, for the Dhamma is praised as “apparent in the present” and “immediately effective” (sandiṭṭhiko, akāliko). But they have inverted it. It is sensual pleasure that is the slow poison — its fruit is continued rebirth, paid out over lifetimes — while the Dhamma is what can be realized here and now. The same false move is put in Māra’s mouth elsewhere; the discourse quietly marks these monks as walking his path.

How to teach someone who won’t listen

The Buddha’s method repays study. Faced with open intransigence, he does not assert his authority or threaten. He first finds a point of agreement: “Have you ever known me to teach that every experience — pleasant, painful, or neutral — makes the unskillful decline and the skillful grow?” No, they admit. “And have you known me to teach that it depends — that for some pleasant feelings the unskillful grows, and for others it declines?” Yes. With the principle established on common ground, he shows that it rests on direct knowledge: “If I had not known, seen, realized this with wisdom, would it be right for me to say ‘give this up’? But I have known it — that is why I say it.” The rule about eating is now seen for what it is: not an arbitrary command, but a case of the larger principle, grounded in what the Buddha has actually verified.

Feelings judged by their fruit

The heart of the reframing is this: feeling is not the measure; what a feeling does to the mind is the measure. A pleasant feeling is not good simply because it is pleasant, nor a painful one bad because it hurts. The test is functional — “when someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline; but when someone feels that kind, the unskillful declines and the skillful grows.” So some pleasures (the bliss of meditation) are to be entered and dwelt in, and some (sensual gratification) abandoned; likewise for painful and neutral feelings. The night meal felt pleasant; that was never the point. The point is the kind of person it slowly makes.

Not everyone has the same work left

The Buddha then draws a distinction that runs through the rest of the discourse. He does not say all monks still have “work to do with diligence,” nor that none do. The arahant — “perfected, with defilements ended… rightly freed through enlightenment” — has no further work; he is “incapable of being negligent.” The trainee (sekha), who has not yet reached the goal but lives aspiring to it, still has work — and the Buddha names exactly what that diligence is for: that he might “frequent appropriate lodgings, associate with good friends, and control his faculties,” and so realize the goal in this very life.

The seven persons

This is the discourse’s great map. Seven kinds of practitioner are distinguished along two axes: whether they have direct meditative experience of the formless liberations, and how far their defilements have ended.

PersonFormless attainments?DefilementsWork left?
Freed both waysyesfully ended (arahant)no
Freed by wisdomnofully ended (arahant)no
Direct witnessyespartly endedyes
Attained to viewnopartly ended; has clearly seen the teachingyes
Freed by faithnopartly ended; faith planted in the Buddhayes
Follower of teachingsnonot yet ended; accepts the teaching after reflection; has the five facultiesyes
Follower by faithnonot yet ended; trusts and is fond of the Buddha; has the five facultiesyes

The first two are arahants; the difference between them is only the depth of meditative mastery, not the completeness of their freedom — a striking affirmation that liberation does not require the formless attainments. The next three are noble ones still on the way (once-returners, non-returners, or approaching perfection). The last two stand at the very threshold — not yet stream-enterers, but possessed of the five spiritual faculties (faith, energy, mindfulness, immersion, wisdom) and set on the path. The map dignifies every honest stage: even the follower by faith, with no attainment yet, is counted among the seven.

Gradual, not all at once

“I don’t say that enlightenment is achieved right away,” the Buddha declares; “rather, by gradual training, progress, and practice.” He then sketches the actual sequence: faith arises → one approaches a teacher → pays homage → listens → hears the teaching → remembers it → examines its meaning → accepts it after reflection → enthusiasm springs up → one makes an effort, weighs it up, and perseveres → and so “directly realizes the ultimate truth, and sees it with penetrating wisdom.” This is his rebuke to the Kīṭāgiri monks turned into instruction: their failure was a failure at the very first link — there was no faith, no approaching, no listening — and so “how far these futile men have strayed from this teaching and training.”

The four statements, and the bones

The discourse ends with what the Buddha calls “an exposition in four statements,” the attitude of a faithful disciple who is really trying to fathom the Teacher’s instruction: (1) “The Buddha is my Teacher, I am his disciple; the Buddha knows, I do not know”; (2) the Teacher’s instruction is “nourishing and nutritious”; (3) the great resolve — “Gladly, let only skin, sinews, and bones remain! Let the flesh and blood waste away! I will not relax my energy until I have achieved what is possible by human strength”; and (4) the promise that follows such practice — “one of two results: enlightenment in this very life, or, if there is residue left, non-return.” It is the exact opposite of the haggling that opened the discourse. Where the obstinate monks bargained — “if we get this, we’ll do that” — the true disciple gives everything and trusts the path to deliver.

Key terms

sandiṭṭhiko, akāliko — “apparent in the present, immediately effective” — standard praises of the Dhamma. The Kīṭāgiri monks twist them to defend indulgence; in truth it is sensual pleasure that “takes time” (binding one to rebirth), and the Dhamma that bears fruit now.
appamāda — diligence, heedfulness. Its “work” is what the trainee still must do; the arahant has finished it and is “incapable of being negligent.”
ubhatobhāgavimutta — “freed both ways”: an arahant whose freedom joins mastery of the formless liberations to the ending of defilements through wisdom.
paññāvimutta — “freed by wisdom”: an arahant fully liberated through insight, without having developed the formless attainments. Proof that awakening does not require them.
kāyena phusitvā — “having touched with the body,” rendered “direct meditative experience.” In the formless states kāya cannot mean the physical body; it points to direct personal experience of those states.
saddhānusārī / dhammānusārī — “follower by faith” and “follower of teachings”: the two at the threshold of the path, not yet stream-enterers, but equipped with the five spiritual faculties and approaching the first fruit.
anupubbasikkhā — gradual training. Awakening is “not achieved right away” but through a chain of steps, from the arising of faith to the direct realization of truth.

The text

The full discourse, abridged where the source repeats. The confrontation, the principle of feelings, the seven persons, and the closing exposition are given in full; the parallel treatment of painful and neutral feelings, and the “still has work to do” refrain across the seven, are given once and then condensed. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The rule on the road

§1–3So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Kāsis together with a large Saṅgha of mendicants. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Mendicants, I abstain from eating at night. Doing so, I find that I’m healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably. You too should abstain from eating at night.” “Yes, sir,” they replied. Then the Buddha, traveling stage by stage, arrived at a town of the Kāsis named Kīṭāgiri, and stayed there.

The refusal

§4Now at that time the mendicants who followed Assaji and Punabbasuka were residing at Kīṭāgiri. Several mendicants went to them and relayed the Buddha’s advice. But the followers of Assaji and Punabbasuka said: “Reverends, we eat at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day. Doing so, we find that we’re healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably. Why should we give up what is apparent in the present to chase after what takes effect over time? We shall eat at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day.”

The Buddha establishes common ground

§5–7Unable to persuade them, the monks told the Buddha what had happened. So the Buddha had those mendicants summoned, and confirmed the exchange with them directly. Then he asked: “Mendicants, have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma like this: no matter what a person experiences — pleasurable, painful, or neutral — their unskillful qualities decline and their skillful qualities grow?” “No, sir.” “Haven’t you known me to teach it like this: ‘When someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline; but when someone feels that kind, unskillful qualities decline and skillful qualities grow’ — and likewise for painful and neutral feeling?” “Yes, sir.”

Grounded in direct knowledge

§8–11“Good, mendicants! Suppose I had not known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom — ‘when someone feels this kind of pleasant feeling, unskillful qualities grow and skillful qualities decline.’ Not knowing it, would it be appropriate for me to say, ‘You should give up this kind of pleasant feeling’?” “No, sir.” “But I have known, seen, realized this with wisdom. That is why I say: give up this kind of pleasant feeling.”

The Buddha applies the same form to each kind of feeling. For the pleasant feeling that grows the skillful, “enter and remain” in it; for the pleasant feeling that grows the unskillful, give it up. The painful feeling and the neutral feeling are each treated the same way — abandon what feeds the unskillful, cultivate what feeds the skillful. In every case the justification is the same: “I have known, seen, understood, realized, and experienced this with wisdom — that is why I say it.”

Who still has work to do

§12–13“Mendicants, I don’t say that all these mendicants still have work to do with diligence; nor that none of them do. Those who are perfected — with defilements ended, the spiritual journey completed, the burden laid down, rightly freed through enlightenment — have no work left to do with diligence. Why? They have done it. They are incapable of being negligent. But those who are trainees, who have not achieved their heart’s desire but live aspiring to the supreme sanctuary — they still have work to do. For thinking, ‘Hopefully this venerable will frequent appropriate lodgings, associate with good friends, and control their faculties, and so realize the goal in this very life’ — seeing this fruit of diligence, I say they still have work to do.”

The seven persons

§14–16“Mendicants, these seven individuals are found in the world: one freed both ways, one freed by wisdom, a direct witness, one attained to view, one freed by faith, a follower of teachings, and a follower by faith. And what individual is freed both ways? One who has direct meditative experience of the peaceful formless liberations, and whose defilements have ended through wisdom. This one has no work left to do. And what is freed by wisdom? One who does not have that meditative experience of the formless, but whose defilements have nonetheless ended through wisdom. This one too has no work left to do.”

The remaining five are described in the same pattern, each “still with work to do with diligence.” The direct witness has the formless attainments and some defilements ended; the one attained to view lacks the formless but has some defilements ended and has clearly seen the teaching; the one freed by faith lacks the formless but has some defilements ended and faith planted in the Buddha; the follower of teachings has not yet ended defilements but accepts the teaching after reflection and has the five faculties; the follower by faith has not yet ended defilements but trusts and is fond of the Buddha and has the five faculties. Of each the Buddha says: “Hopefully this venerable will frequent appropriate lodgings, associate with good friends, and control their faculties… Seeing this fruit of diligence, I say they still have work to do.”

Awakening is gradual

§22–24“Mendicants, I don’t say that enlightenment is achieved right away. Rather, enlightenment is achieved by gradual training, progress, and practice. And how? Someone in whom faith has arisen approaches a teacher. They pay homage, actively listen, hear the teachings, remember them, examine their meaning, and accept them after deliberation. Then enthusiasm springs up; they make an effort, weigh it up, and persevere. Persevering, they directly realize the ultimate truth, and see it with penetrating wisdom. But there has been no such faith, no approaching, no paying homage, no listening, no examining — mendicants, you’re on a bad path, you’re practicing the wrong way! How far these futile men have strayed from this teaching and training!”

An exposition in four statements

§25–27“There is an exposition in four statements which a sensible person would quickly understand. Even with a teacher who values material things, you wouldn’t haggle, ‘If we get this, we’ll do that’ — how much less with the Realized One, who lives utterly detached. For a faithful disciple practicing to fathom the Teacher’s instructions, this is in line with the teaching: ‘The Buddha is my Teacher, I am his disciple. The Buddha knows, I do not know.’ The Teacher’s instructions are nourishing and nutritious. And: ‘Gladly, let only skin, sinews, and bones remain! Let the flesh and blood waste away in my body! I will not relax my energy until I have achieved what is possible by human strength, energy, and vigor.’ For such a disciple, one of two results can be expected: enlightenment in this very life, or, if there is residue left behind, non-return.” That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants approved what the Buddha said.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What is the dispute that sets the discourse in motion?
Correct: B. The Buddha advises abstaining from the night meal; at Kīṭāgiri the followers of Assaji and Punabbasuka brush the advice aside, since they feel perfectly well eating “at dusk, at daybreak, and at the wrong time of day.”
Question 2 of 10
What is the fallacy in their argument, “Why give up what is apparent now to chase what takes effect over time?”
Correct: C. They twist the Dhamma’s own praises (“apparent in the present, immediately effective”). In fact indulgence is the slow poison, paid out over lifetimes; the teaching is what can be realized in this very life. The same false move is elsewhere put in Māra’s mouth.
Question 3 of 10
How does the Buddha begin to teach the obstinate monks?
Correct: A. He first gets them to agree that he has never taught that every feeling grows the skillful — rather that it depends on the feeling. Only then does he show the rule rests on that agreed principle.
Question 4 of 10
By what measure should a feeling be pursued or abandoned?
Correct: D. Feeling is not the measure; what a feeling does to the mind is. Some pleasures (meditative bliss) are to be entered and dwelt in; others (sensual gratification) abandoned. The night meal felt pleasant — that was never the point.
Question 5 of 10
On what does the Buddha say his instructions to give up or cultivate a feeling rest?
Correct: B. “If I had not known this with wisdom, would it be right for me to say it? But I have known it — that is why I say it.” The precept is grounded in verified experience, not bare authority.
Question 6 of 10
Which two of the seven persons have “no work left to do with diligence”?
Correct: C. The first two are fully perfected arahants; their defilements have ended and they are “incapable of being negligent.” The other five are still on the path and have work to do.
Question 7 of 10
What is the only difference between the one “freed both ways” and the one “freed by wisdom”?
Correct: A. The difference is only the depth of meditative mastery, not the completeness of freedom — a striking affirmation that awakening does not require the formless attainments.
Question 8 of 10
What distinguishes the “follower by faith” and “follower of teachings,” the last two of the seven?
Correct: D. Their defilements have not yet begun to end, but they have faith, energy, mindfulness, immersion, and wisdom. The map dignifies every honest stage — even the beginner in faith is counted among the seven.
Question 9 of 10
How does the Buddha say awakening is achieved?
Correct: A. Faith arises, one approaches a teacher, listens, remembers, examines, accepts after reflection, makes an effort, perseveres — and so realizes the truth. The Kīṭāgiri monks failed at the very first link: there was no faith, no approaching, no listening.
Question 10 of 10
What attitude does the closing “exposition in four statements” hold up — and how does it answer the monks who opened the discourse?
Correct: C. Where the obstinate monks bargained (“if we get this, we’ll do that’’), the faithful disciple gives everything and trusts the path — and can expect one of two results: enlightenment in this life, or non-return.
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