Majjhima Nikāya · Discourse 94

With Ghoṭamukha

Ghoṭamukhasutta

Setting
Near Varanasi, in the Khemiya Mango Grove — after the Buddha’s final extinguishment
Speakers
Venerable Udena and the brahmin Ghoṭamukha
Form
A skeptic refuted by his own choice — four kinds of person, the one he prefers, and the path that harms no one.
Length
~14 minutes to read
Northern parallel
No counterpart survives in the Chinese Āgamas
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — a clear ethical sorting, ending in the full gradual path.

Why this discourse, ninety-fourth

A brahmin walks up to a monk and announces, almost as a greeting, that there is no such thing as a genuine renunciate life — though he admits he has never met a worthy renunciant or heard a teaching that would change his mind. Venerable Udena takes up the challenge, not by arguing, but by laying out four kinds of person and asking the brahmin which he prefers. The brahmin’s own answer quietly demolishes his opening claim — and opens the way to the whole path.

The discourse is spoken not by the Buddha but by his disciple Udena, and is set after the Buddha’s passing — one of the handful of suttas from the years when the teaching had to stand on its own, carried by those who had learned it. Ghoṭamukha is a man of standing, courteous (he will not even sit before he is invited), but settled in a comfortable cynicism: the holy life, he thinks, is a pretence. Udena’s method is to let the brahmin discover otherwise from within his own values.

The frame is the well-known teaching of the four kinds of person — one who torments himself, one who torments others, one who torments both, and one who torments neither. Asked which he likes, Ghoṭamukha unhesitatingly chooses the fourth, and gives a luminous reason: the other three all inflict pain on beings who, like everyone, “want to be happy and recoil from pain.” In that single criterion the whole ethical orientation of the path is contained — and from it Udena leads the brahmin, step by step, to see that the person who harms no one is precisely the one the holy life is built to produce.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Of four kinds of person — one who torments himself, one who torments others, one who torments both, and one who torments neither — the last is best, for all beings want happiness and recoil from pain; and that person, who harms no one, is found among those gone forth and is perfected by the whole gradual path, “living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss.”

The four kinds of person

Udena’s framework sorts the religious and worldly lives of his time by a single question: who gets hurt? The four are:

The personWhat it looks like
Torments himselfthe extreme ascetic — going naked, starving, eating filth, sleeping on thorns, tearing out his hair: self-mortification as a path.
Torments othersone of cruel livelihood — butcher, hunter, executioner, jailer: a life built on harming beings.
Torments boththe king who, in a great sacrifice, mortifies himself with ritual austerity and slaughters herds of animals while his servants “weep with tearful faces.”
Torments neitherthe one who harms no one, “living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss” — the awakened follower of the path.

The sorting is morally clarifying. Self-mortification and animal sacrifice were, in the brahmanical and ascetic world, respected forms of religious seriousness; here they are placed in the same category as the butcher and the executioner, judged by the suffering they cause. Holiness is not measured by how much one suffers or how grand the ritual, but by whether anyone — oneself or another — is being tormented.

The criterion the brahmin gives

Ghoṭamukha’s reason for preferring the fourth person is the ethical heart of the discourse, and he states it himself: each of the first three torments a being “even though they want to be happy and recoil from pain.” The self-mortifier hurts himself, though he too wants happiness; the cruel-livelihood man hurts others, though they too want happiness; the sacrificer hurts both. Only the fourth tortures no one. The principle is universal and disarmingly simple: every being, without exception, wants to be happy and shrinks from pain — and so a way of life is good or bad according to whether it respects that universal wish or violates it. This is the same root from which loving-kindness grows (“as I wish to be happy, so do all beings”), and the same standard the Buddha gives Rāhula in MN 61: judge an act by whether it harms. That a skeptical brahmin arrives at this criterion on his own shows how natural it is — it is not an esoteric doctrine but a moral intuition anyone can recognise once it is named.

The skeptic refuted by himself

Having drawn out the brahmin’s preference, Udena springs a gentle trap. “That fourth person — in which group do you usually find him: among householders obsessed with possessions, or among those who have gone forth?” “Among those who have gone forth,” Ghoṭamukha answers without thinking. And Udena simply holds up the contradiction: “Just now you said there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life.” The brahmin has, by his own admission, located the best of the four kinds of person in precisely the renunciate life he claimed was a sham. He concedes at once: “There is such a thing as a principled renunciate life; that is what I now think.” The cynicism dissolves not because it was out-argued, but because the brahmin’s own values, followed honestly, pointed the other way. He had dismissed the holy life in the abstract while quietly admiring exactly what it produces.

The path that harms no one

Asked to explain the fourth person in detail, Udena lays out the entire gradual training — the same arc found in MN 51 and MN 27. A Realized One arises; a person hears the teaching, goes forth, and undertakes the noble ethics — refraining from killing, stealing, lying, harsh and divisive speech, from accepting money, goods, or beings, from cruel and dishonest trades; content “like a bird, whose wings are its only burden”; guarding the senses; mindful in every act; abandoning the five hindrances; entering the four absorptions; and finally realising the three knowledges — past lives, the divine eye, and the ending of the defilements — until “rebirth is ended.” The detail matters here for one reason: every step of this path is a step in not harming. It begins with harmlessness toward all beings and ends in a freedom that troubles no one, including oneself — the perfect realisation of the fourth person. The holy life is not, as Ghoṭamukha first thought, a pretentious austerity; it is the one way of living that fully honours the wish of every being to be happy and free of pain.

Udena’s humility, and the gift redirected

Convinced, Ghoṭamukha goes for refuge “to Udena” — and Udena, like Mahākaccāna in MN 84, refuses the honour: “Do not go for refuge to me; go to the Buddha to whom I went for refuge.” “Where is he?” “He has attained final extinguishment.” So this is the world after the Buddha, in which the refuge must be taken in a teacher no longer present — and Ghoṭamukha takes it gladly: “If the Buddha were a hundred leagues away I would go to see him; since he is quenched, I go for refuge to that quenched Buddha.” Then a small, telling coda on giving. The brahmin offers Udena his royal daily allowance; Udena declines (monks take no money). He offers to build Udena a dwelling; Udena redirects it: “Build an assembly hall for the Saṅgha at Pāṭaliputta.” Ghoṭamukha is delighted — “now I am even more pleased, since you turn me toward giving to the community” — and builds the hall still known, the text notes, as “the Ghoṭamukhī.” A monk who wants nothing for himself, who turns every honour and gift away from his own person and toward the Buddha and the Saṅgha, is the living proof of the fourth person he has just described — the one who, harming and grasping at nothing, is content like a bird with only its wings to carry.

Key terms

the four persons — one who torments himself (the ascetic), others (cruel livelihood), both (the sacrificing king), or neither (the awakened follower). Sorted by a single question: who gets hurt?
“all want to be happy and recoil from pain” — Ghoṭamukha’s own criterion for preferring the fourth person. The universal wish that makes harming, of self or other, the mark of a bad path — the root of loving-kindness.
holiness re-sorted — self-mortification and animal sacrifice, respected in that world, are placed beside the butcher and executioner — judged not by grandeur or suffering but by the harm they cause.
refuted by oneself — the skeptic locates the best person among the gone-forth, contradicting his claim that there is no genuine renunciate life. His own values, followed honestly, undo his cynicism.
“like a bird” — the content mendicant, carrying only robe and bowl “as a bird carries only its wings.” The harmlessness of the path includes wanting nothing one must take from others.
the gift redirected — Udena declines money and a dwelling, sending the brahmin’s generosity to the Saṅgha instead (the “Ghoṭamukhī” hall). A monk who turns every honour away from himself — the fourth person, living.

The text

The full discourse, abridged where the source repeats. The frame, the four persons, and the closing on the gift are given; the long catalogues of austerity and the gradual training are condensed (the path is given fully in MN 51 and MN 27). Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

“There is no genuine renunciate life”

§1–4So I have heard. At one time Venerable Udena was staying near Varanasi in the Khemiya Mango Grove. The brahmin Ghoṭamukha came and said, “My ascetic, there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life — that is what I think; though I have not met worthy ones such as yourself, or a relevant teaching.” Udena offered to discuss it, if the brahmin would grant what should be granted and ask about what he did not understand. The brahmin agreed.

The four kinds of person

§5–7“Brahmin, four kinds of person are found in the world: one who torments himself; one who torments others; one who torments both; and one who torments neither — living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss. Which do you like the sound of?” “Only the fourth, sir.” “Why not the other three?” “Because each torments a being who wants to be happy and recoils from pain — the first himself, the second others, the third both. Only the fourth torments no one.” “And in which group do you usually find the fourth person — the householders obsessed with possessions, or those gone forth?” “Among those gone forth.”

The skeptic refuted

§8“But just now you said there is no such thing as a principled renunciate life.” “I had my reasons for saying so, master Udena — but there is such a thing; that is what I now think. Please explain these four persons to me in detail.”

The four, in full

§10–30“The self-tormentor goes naked, starves, eats filth, sleeps on thorns, tears out his hair — all the extremes of austerity. The tormentor of others lives by a cruel trade — slaughterer, hunter, executioner. The tormentor of both is the king who, in a great sacrifice, mortifies himself with ritual and slaughters herds while his weeping servants labour under threat.” And the fourth — who torments neither — is described through the whole gradual training: a Realized One arises; a person goes forth, takes up the noble ethics (harmless to all beings, content “like a bird with only its wings to carry”), guards the senses, is mindful in every act, abandons the five hindrances, enters the four absorptions, and realises the three knowledges, until “rebirth is ended.” “This is the one who torments neither himself nor others — living without wishes, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss.”

Refuge, and the hall

§31–33“Excellent, worthy Udena! I go for refuge to you.” “Do not go for refuge to me, but to the Buddha to whom I went for refuge.” “Where is he?” “He has attained final extinguishment.” “Then I go for refuge to that quenched Buddha, the teaching, and the Saṅgha.” The brahmin offered Udena his royal allowance; Udena declined money. He offered a dwelling; Udena said, “Then build an assembly hall for the Saṅgha at Pāṭaliputta.” “Now I am even more delighted, since you turn me toward giving to the community.” And he built that hall, still called the Ghoṭamukhī.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What is unusual about who delivers this discourse, and when?
Correct: C. One of the handful of suttas from the years when the teaching had to stand on its own.
Question 2 of 10
What does the brahmin Ghoṭamukha claim at the start?
Correct: A. A comfortable cynicism — the holy life is a pretence — though he admits he has never met a worthy renunciant or a teaching to change his mind.
Question 3 of 10
By what single question does Udena sort the four kinds of person?
Correct: D. A morally clarifying sorting: holiness is measured not by how much one suffers or how grand the ritual, but by whether anyone is tormented.
Question 4 of 10
Which person does Ghoṭamukha prefer, and why?
Correct: B. His own criterion is the ethical heart of the discourse: every being wants happiness and shrinks from pain, so a life is good or bad by whether it respects that universal wish.
Question 5 of 10
How does the discourse re-sort “respected” religious practices like self-mortification and animal sacrifice?
Correct: C. Holiness is not grandeur or suffering. The self-mortifier and the sacrificing king torment beings, and so fall on the wrong side of the one question that matters.
Question 6 of 10
How is the brahmin’s opening cynicism refuted?
Correct: A. His values, followed honestly, undo his cynicism. He had dismissed the holy life in the abstract while quietly admiring exactly what it produces.
Question 7 of 10
What does the “like a bird” image describe?
Correct: D. The harmlessness of the path includes contentment — the freedom of wanting nothing that would require taking from anyone.
Question 8 of 10
Why does the detailed gradual path fittingly describe the “one who torments neither”?
Correct: B. The holy life is not a pretentious austerity but the one way of living that fully honours every being’s wish to be happy and free of pain.
Question 9 of 10
When Ghoṭamukha goes for refuge “to Udena,” how does Udena respond?
Correct: C. The teacher points past himself to the Teacher. The refuge is taken even in a Buddha no longer present.
Question 10 of 10
What happens with the brahmin’s offer of money and a dwelling?
Correct: A. A monk who turns every honour and gift away from his own person and toward the Buddha and the Saṅgha is the fourth person, living — content like a bird with only its wings to carry.
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