Majjhima Nikāya · Discourse 101

At Devadaha

Devadahasutta

Setting
The Sakyan town of Devadaha, addressed to the mendicants
Speakers
The Buddha, reporting his debate with the Jain ascetics
Form
A point-by-point refutation of a rival doctrine, followed by the practice that actually works.
Length
~19 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A counterpart is preserved in the Chinese Madhyama Āgama (MĀ 19)
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — the Buddha’s subtle middle position on action and suffering.

Why this discourse, one-hundred-and-first

The Jains taught that every feeling you have — pleasant, painful, neutral — is the ripening of a past deed; so burn off the backlog through fierce self-mortification, do no new deeds, and suffering must end. The Buddha tests this belief the way he tests every belief: not with a counter-doctrine, but with questions. Do you actually know any of what you claim? And the whole grim edifice of self-torture collapses for want of a single thing anyone has ever seen.

The opening chapter of the Final Fifty begins with the most sustained critique of a rival system in the canon. The target is the doctrine of the Nigaṇṭhas — the Jains, followers of the Ñātika ascetic (Mahāvīra) — and specifically their austere logic of liberation: since pain is the payment of old karmic debt, suffer it deliberately and intensely now, contract no new debt, and the account will close. It is a coherent and demanding vision, and the Buddha takes it with full seriousness before taking it apart.

His method has three movements. First, the Jains cannot know the past lives, past deeds, and exact karmic accounting their practice presupposes — so their confidence is baseless. Second, their pain plainly comes from their own present straining, not from the past at all. Third, even granting karma, exertion cannot alter how a deed is destined to ripen. From the wreckage the Buddha builds the contrast: a striving that is fruitful — not the blind endurance of pain, but the discerning use of effort and equanimity that wears suffering away and opens, step by step, the whole path to freedom.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

The Jain belief that all feeling is the fruit of past deeds, to be worn away by mortification, is baseless — they can know none of what it requires, their pain comes from their own present effort, and exertion cannot change how a deed ripens; truly fruitful striving is not the blind endurance of pain but the discerning use of effort and equanimity that wears suffering away and opens the path to freedom.

The doctrine on trial

The Jain position is stated fairly and fully: “Everything a person experiences — pleasure, pain, or neutral — is because of past deeds. So by wearing away past deeds through mortification, and doing no new deeds, there is no future consequence; deeds end, suffering ends.” This is a pure karmic determinism: the present is wholly the cashing-out of the past, and the only freedom is to pay the debt off faster by suffering on purpose. The Buddha’s reply is not “karma is false” — he affirms karma — but that this account claims to know far more than anyone can.

First movement: “Do you know?”

The Buddha puts five questions to the Jains. Do you know for certain (1) that you existed in the past; (2) that you did bad deeds then; (3) which deeds; (4) how much suffering has been worn away, how much remains, and when it will all be gone; (5) what abandoning the unskillful and developing the skillful is, here and now? To every one: “No, reverend.” The conclusion follows: if you know none of this, it is not appropriate to claim your suffering is precisely measured karmic repayment.

The healed arrow-wound. A man shot with a poisoned arrow endures the surgeon’s painful cutting, probing, and cauterising — but once healed and whole, he can rightly look back and say the pain was worth it, because he can see the result. The Jain endures pain just as sharp, but can point to no healing, no result, nothing known. His suffering is a treatment with no evidence it cures anything.

Second movement: the pain is your own doing

The Jains fall back on their all-knowing teacher, who declares their austerities the way to burn off past evil. The Buddha invokes the five unreliable grounds from MN 95 — faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoning, accepted opinion — none of which can establish a claim about the unseeable past. Then a simpler, empirical point: when do you feel these sharp pains? Only when you exert and strain intensely — never otherwise. So the pain is manifestly produced by present effort, here and now; to read it as the surfacing of ancient deeds is “out of ignorance, unknowing, and confusion.” They are hurting themselves and calling it destiny.

Third movement: exertion cannot reschedule karma

Even granting their own premises, the Buddha shows the practice incoherent. Can exertion make a deed due to ripen in this life ripen in another? Or the reverse? Can it turn a deed due to be felt as pleasure into one felt as pain? A deed due to ripen when fully matured into one felt before? A strong result into a weak one? A result that must be felt into one not felt? To every pairing the Jains must answer: “No.” But then their fervent striving cannot accelerate or alter the karmic process at all — so it is, on their own terms, fruitless.

The ten grounds of criticism

The Buddha then turns the Jains’ visible suffering against every possible theory of its cause — a striking piece of reasoning. If beings feel pleasure and pain because of past deeds, the Jains’ intense present pain shows they did terrible past deeds. If because of a creator God, they were made by a cruel one. If because of circumstance, their circumstances are wretched; if because of the class they were born into, a low one; if because of present effort, they strive disastrously. On any theory of causation whatever, the Jains’ self-inflicted agony reflects badly on them — ten grounds for criticism. The same reasoning, applied to the Realized One’s “undefiled pleasure,” yields ten grounds of praise. The point is not to settle the metaphysics but to expose how self-defeating the doctrine of redemptive pain is.

What fruitful striving actually is

Having cleared away the false striving, the Buddha describes the true. The mendicant “does not bring suffering upon themselves, and does not forsake legitimate pleasure, yet is not besotted with it.” They learn a discernment:

Strive, or be equanimous — as fits. “When I actively strive against this source of suffering, I become dispassionate toward it. When I develop equanimity toward that other source, I become dispassionate toward it.” So they apply effort or equanimity according to what each case needs.

The jilted lover illustrates it: a man tormented by seeing his beloved laughing with another lets go of his desire for her — and the same sight no longer wounds him. Suffering is worn away not by attacking the feeling but by removing the craving beneath it. And where effort is called for, it is purposeful, not endless: like an arrowsmith who heats and straightens a shaft only until it is true and then stops, the mendicant strives painfully against unskillful qualities only until the goal is reached — then strives no more. Effort is a tool, not a penance.

The path that pain could never buy

Finally the Buddha lays out the whole gradual training that this discerning striving makes possible — going forth, ethical conduct, sense-restraint, mindfulness, abandoning the five hindrances, the four absorptions, and the three knowledges culminating in liberation: “rebirth is ended.” This is striving that bears fruit — not because it hurts, but because it transforms. The contrast with the Jains is complete: they sought to exhaust suffering by enduring more of it; the Buddha’s path extinguishes its cause. Where the Jain doctrine drew ten grounds of criticism, this one draws ten grounds of praise — the Realized One’s “undefiled pleasure” commending the path on any theory of cause whatever.

Key terms

the Nigaṇṭhas (Jains) — followers of the Ñātika ascetic (Mahāvīra), here holding that all feeling is the fruit of past deeds, to be worn away by self-mortification. The Buddha’s chief doctrinal rivals.
karmic determinism (pubbekata-hetu) — the view that the present is wholly the cashing-out of past deeds. The Buddha affirms karma but denies that it is the sole cause of all experience.
“do you know?” — the five questions exposing that the Jains know none of the past lives, past deeds, or karmic accounting their practice presupposes. Confidence without knowledge.
the healed arrow-wound — only one who is cured can rightly say the painful treatment was worth it. The Jain endures equal pain but can point to no result — a treatment with no evidence it heals.
the ten grounds of criticism — on any theory of why beings suffer (past deeds, a creator, circumstance, birth-class, present effort), the Jains’ self-inflicted pain reflects badly on them. The doctrine is self-defeating.
strive or be equanimous, as fits — fruitful effort: applying active striving against one source of suffering and equanimity toward another, according to what each requires — not the blind endurance of pain.
the arrowsmith — effort as a tool, not a penance: as a smith heats a shaft only until it is straight and then stops, one strives painfully against the unskillful only until the goal is won.

The text

The full discourse, abridged where the source repeats. The Jain doctrine, the five questions, the arrow-wound, the cross-examination on karma, the ten grounds, and fruitful striving are given closely; the long gradual-path section is condensed (it is given fully in MN 27 and MN 51). Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The Jain doctrine

§1–2So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying in the Sakyan land near the town of Devadaha, and addressed the mendicants. “Mendicants, there are some ascetics and brahmins who hold this view: ‘Everything a person experiences — pleasure, pain, or neutral — is because of past deeds. So by wearing away past deeds through mortification, and doing no new deeds, there is no future consequence; deeds end, suffering ends, feeling ends, and all suffering will have been worn away.’ Such is the doctrine of the Jain ascetics.”

“Do you know?”

§3–6“I went to those Jains and asked: ‘Do you know for certain that you existed in the past? That you did bad deeds then? Which deeds? How much suffering has been worn away, how much remains, and when it will all be gone? Do you know the abandoning of the unskillful and the developing of the skillful here and now?’ To each they said: ‘No, reverend.’ ‘Then since you know none of this, it is not appropriate for you to declare your doctrine.’”

The healed arrow-wound

§7–9“Suppose a man were struck by a poisoned arrow, and a surgeon cut open the wound, probed for the arrow, drew it out, and cauterised it — each step sharply painful. Healed at last, healthy and his own master, he could rightly say: ‘The treatment was painful, but now I am whole.’ In the same way, if you knew these things, it would be appropriate to declare your doctrine. But since you do not, it is not.”

The pain is your own doing

§10–15They appealed to their all-knowing teacher. I said: ‘Five things turn out two ways — faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoning, accepted opinion. What grounds have you for claims about the past?’ They had no defence. ‘Tell me: do you feel these sharp pains only when you strain and exert intensely — not otherwise?’ ‘Only when we exert, reverend.’ ‘Then are you not feeling pain from your own present exertion, which out of ignorance you misread as the fruit of past deeds?’ Again they had no defence.”

Exertion cannot reschedule karma

§16–22“I asked further: can exertion make a deed due to ripen in this life ripen in another — or the reverse? Make a deed felt as pleasure be felt as pain? Make a deed that ripens when matured ripen early? A strong result weak? A result that must be felt not be felt? To all: ‘No, reverend.’ ‘Then your exertion cannot change how deeds ripen at all — so it is fruitless.’ And consider: whatever the cause of suffering — past deeds, a creator God, circumstance, birth-class, or present effort — the Jains’ intense pain reflects badly on them every way. On ten grounds they deserve criticism. That is how striving is fruitless.”

How striving is fruitful

§23–26“And how is striving fruitful? A mendicant does not torment themselves, and does not give up legitimate pleasure, yet is not besotted with it. They understand: ‘When I actively strive against this source of suffering, I grow dispassionate toward it; when I develop equanimity toward that source, I grow dispassionate toward it.’ So they strive or stay equanimous as fits. Suppose a man in love sees his beloved laughing with another, and it pains him. Letting go his desire for her, he sees the same sight again — and now it brings no sorrow, for he no longer desires her. Just so, suffering is worn away.”

The arrowsmith, and the path

§27–45“Again, a mendicant reflects: ‘Living as I please, the unskillful grows; striving painfully, the skillful grows — so let me strive.’ And once the goal is reached, they strive painfully no more — as an arrowsmith heats and straightens a shaft only until it is true, then stops. So too, a Realized One arises; one goes forth, fulfils ethics, guards the senses, is mindful, abandons the five hindrances, and enters the four absorptions; then recollects past lives, sees beings reborn by their deeds, and ends the defilements: ‘rebirth is ended.’ Such is the doctrine of the Realized One — deserving praise on ten grounds, his undefiled pleasure commending it whatever the cause of feeling may be.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What is the Jain doctrine the Buddha examines?
Correct: B. A pure karmic determinism: pay off the karmic debt faster by suffering on purpose, and the account closes.
Question 2 of 10
Does the Buddha reject the idea of karma itself?
Correct: C. His objection is that the Jain account claims to know far more than anyone possibly can.
Question 3 of 10
What do the Jains answer to the Buddha’s five questions — whether they know their past existence, past deeds, and the exact karmic accounting?
Correct: A. Knowing none of it, they have no basis for claiming their suffering is precisely measured karmic repayment.
Question 4 of 10
What does the simile of the healed arrow-wound show?
Correct: D. The Jain endures equal pain but with no evidence it heals anything — a treatment justified by nothing seen.
Question 5 of 10
What simple, empirical point does the Buddha make about when the Jains feel sharp pain?
Correct: C. They are hurting themselves here and now, and calling it destiny — “out of ignorance, unknowing, and confusion.”
Question 6 of 10
When the Buddha asks whether exertion can change how a deed ripens (its timing, its pleasantness, its strength), what must the Jains admit?
Correct: A. If effort cannot reschedule or soften a single karmic result, the fervent austerity accomplishes nothing it claims to.
Question 7 of 10
What is the point of the “ten grounds of criticism”?
Correct: D. The doctrine of redemptive pain is self-defeating whatever the metaphysics; the same reasoning yields ten grounds of praise for the Realized One’s undefiled pleasure.
Question 8 of 10
What is the discernment at the heart of fruitful striving?
Correct: B. Effort and equanimity are both tools; wisdom is knowing which the situation calls for.
Question 9 of 10
In the simile of the jilted lover, how does his suffering at seeing his beloved with another man finally end?
Correct: C. Suffering is worn away not by attacking the feeling but by removing the craving beneath it.
Question 10 of 10
What does the arrowsmith heating a shaft illustrate about effort?
Correct: A. As a smith heats and straightens a shaft only until it is true and then stops, painful effort is purposeful and finite — unlike the Jains’ endless mortification.
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