Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 11.13

With Mahāli

Mahālisutta

Setting
Vesālī, the Great Wood, the hall with the peaked roof — a setting distinct from this saṃyutta's usual Sāvatthī backdrop
Speakers
Mahāli the Licchavi and the Buddha
Form
A dialogue opening on a pointed challenge, answered with the same etymology and vows given in SN 11.12
Length
~3.5 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — familiar content reframed by a genuinely sharp opening question

Why this discourse

When Mahāli the Licchavi asks the Buddha directly whether he has actually seen Sakka, and then doubts the answer — surely, he suggests, the Buddha saw a mere lookalike, since Sakka is famously hard to see — the Buddha doesn't argue the point of literal visual perception at all. He answers instead that he understands Sakka, and understands exactly what Sakka undertook to become who he is, before repeating the same etymology of Sakka's seven names and the same seven vows already given in SN 11.12. The redirection itself is the teaching: real knowledge of someone isn't a matter of eyesight.

Reading guide

A challenge posed directly, not a story recalled

Unlike most of this saṃyutta's episodes, this discourse opens with a named, historical interlocutor putting a pointed question to the Buddha in person, in a setting distinct from the saṃyutta's usual Sāvatthī backdrop.

Skepticism stated plainly, not softened

Mahāli doesn't merely ask for clarification; he directly suggests the Buddha must have mistaken a lookalike for Sakka, since Sakka is proverbially hard to see — a genuine challenge to the Buddha's claim, not a polite formality.

A question about sight, answered with understanding

Rather than defending or elaborating on the literal act of seeing, the Buddha reframes the entire question: what matters is that he understands Sakka and understands what made him who he is — sidestepping the visual claim entirely.

Familiar content, put to new use

The etymology of Sakka's seven names and the seven vows that follow are identical to SN 11.12's content, but here they serve a different rhetorical purpose — not simply informing the monks, but substantiating a specific claim to genuine understanding against a skeptic's doubt.

A minor variation worth noticing

The order in which the seven epithets are explained here differs slightly from SN 11.12's sequence — Sakka's own name-epithet is explained before Purindada rather than after — a small textual variation between two otherwise near-identical passages.

Key terms

diṭṭho kho, bhante, bhagavatā sakko devānamindo — “sir, have you seen Sakka, lord of gods?” — Mahāli's opening question, direct and pointed.
sakkapatirūpako… duddaso hi… sakko — “someone who looked like Sakka… Sakka is hard to see” — Mahāli's skeptical follow-up, doubting the Buddha's claim outright.
sakkañca khvāhaṁ, mahāli, pajānāmi sakkakaraṇe ca dhamme — “I understand Sakka, and I understand the things that enabled him to achieve the status of Sakka” — the Buddha's redirection from seeing to understanding.
mahāli licchavī — “Mahāli the Licchavi” — a named historical interlocutor, distinct from the anonymous monks addressed in SN 11.11 and SN 11.12.
vesāliyaṁ… mahāvane kūṭāgārasālāyaṁ — “near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof” — a distinct setting from this saṃyutta's usual Sāvatthī backdrop.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof. Then Mahāli the Licchavi went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,

§2“Sir, have you seen Sakka, lord of gods?” “I have, Mahāli.” “But surely, sir, you must have seen someone who looked like Sakka. For Sakka is hard to see.”

§3“Mahāli, I understand Sakka. And I understand the things that he undertook and committed to, which enabled him to achieve the status of Sakka.

§4In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he was a student named Magha. That’s why he’s called Maghavā, the Bounteous. In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he gave gifts ably. That’s why he’s called Sakka, the Able. In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he was first to give gifts. That’s why he’s called Purindada, the Firstgiver. In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he gave the gift of a guest house. That’s why he’s called Vāsava, the Houser. Sakka thinks of a thousand things in an hour. That’s why he’s called Sahassakkha, the Thousand-Eyed. Sakka’s wife is the titan maiden named Sujā. That’s why he’s called Sujampati, Sujā’s Husband. Sakka rules as sovereign lord over the gods of the thirty-three. That’s why he’s called Devānaminda, the Lord of Gods.

§5In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he undertook seven vows. And it was because of undertaking these that he achieved the status of Sakka. What seven? As long as I live, may I support my parents. As long as I live, may I honor the elders in the family. As long as I live, may I speak gently. As long as I live, may I not backbite. As long as I live, may I live at home rid of the stain of stinginess, freely generous, open-handed, loving to let go, committed to charity, loving to give and to share. As long as I live, may I speak the truth. As long as I live, may I be free of anger, or should anger arise, may I quickly get rid of it. In a former life, when Sakka was a human being, he undertook seven vows. And it was because of undertaking these that he achieved the status of Sakka.

§6A child who respects their parents, and honors the elders in the family, whose speech is gentle and courteous, and has given up backbiting; who’s committed to getting rid of stinginess, is truthful, and has mastered anger: the gods of the thirty-three declare them to be a true person.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What question does Mahāli the Licchavi ask the Buddha?
Correct: A. A direct, pointed question opening the discourse.
Question 2 of 10
How does Mahāli respond when the Buddha confirms he has seen Sakka?
Correct: A. Genuine skepticism, not a polite formality.
Question 3 of 10
How does the Buddha respond to this skepticism?
Correct: A. A redirection from sight to genuine understanding.
Question 4 of 10
What content does the Buddha then give to substantiate his understanding of Sakka?
Correct: A. Familiar content, now serving a different rhetorical purpose.
Question 5 of 10
Where does this discourse take place, distinct from most of this saṃyutta?
Correct: A. A setting distinct from the saṃyutta's usual Sāvatthī backdrop.
Question 6 of 10
What minor variation exists between this discourse's epithet sequence and SN 11.12's?
Correct: A. A small textual variation between two otherwise near-identical passages.
Question 7 of 10
Who is Mahāli, as identified in the discourse?
Correct: A. Distinct from the anonymous monks addressed elsewhere in this saṃyutta.
Question 8 of 10
Does the Buddha ever directly refute Mahāli's suggestion about a lookalike?
Correct: A. The redirection itself is the teaching, not a direct rebuttal.
Question 9 of 10
What is the final vow among the seven repeated in this discourse?
Correct: A. The same seventh vow given in SN 11.11 and SN 11.12.
Question 10 of 10
What term does the closing verse use for one who keeps these vows?
Correct: A. The same closing term used in SN 11.11 and SN 11.12.
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