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Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 11.8

Verocana, Lord of Titans

Verocanasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī, Jeta's Grove — the Buddha in seclusion for the day's meditation
Speakers
Sakka and Verocana, lord of the titans, both visiting the Buddha directly and reciting verses in his presence
Form
A live visit rather than a narrated story, built around two pairs of matched, competing verses
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — compact verses that reward comparing line against line

Why this discourse

For the first time in this saṃyutta, a deity doesn't merely appear in a story the Buddha narrates to his monks; Sakka and Verocana, lord of the titans, actually visit the meditating Buddha in person, standing at his doorposts, and recite competing verses directly in his presence. Verocana praises effort aimed at accomplishing a goal; Sakka answers with the identical opening two lines, but swaps the conclusion to patience — the same phrase used to close SN 11.4 — turning a shared premise about striving into a pointed disagreement about what actually completes it.

Reading guide

A live visit, not a recalled story

Unlike every discourse so far in this saṃyutta, which the Buddha narrates as something that already happened, this one stages Sakka and Verocana actually arriving and speaking — a structural shift back toward this collection's more familiar pattern from earlier saṃyuttas.

The Buddha present, but silent

Notably, the Buddha himself never speaks in this discourse; he remains the setting and the audience for an exchange conducted entirely between the two visiting deities.

Agreement on the premise, disagreement on the conclusion

Verocana's and Sakka's verses share their opening lines almost word for word — both affirm that a person should strive until the goal is accomplished — before diverging sharply on what actually completes that accomplishment.

A phrase echoed from earlier in this saṃyutta

Sakka's closing line, that nothing surpasses patience, repeats verbatim the conclusion of his own verses in SN 11.4, tying this discourse back to that earlier argument about what genuine strength consists of.

A second round restating the same disagreement differently

Rather than resolving after one exchange, the pattern repeats: Verocana names harnessed work as the highest value for all beings, and Sakka's reply again redirects the claim toward patience, restating the same underlying disagreement in a new form.

Key terms

paccekaṁ dvārabāhaṁ nissāya aṭṭhaṁsu — “stationed themselves one by each door-post” — the physical staging of both deities visiting the meditating Buddha in person.
vāyametheva puriso, yāva atthassa nipphadā — “a man should make an effort until his goal is accomplished” — Verocana's opening claim, echoed nearly verbatim in Sakka's reply.
nipphannasobhano attho — “a goal is splendid when accomplished” — the premise both figures actually share, before their conclusions diverge.
khantyā bhiyyo na vijjati — “naught better than patience is found” — Sakka's repeated counter-conclusion, echoing his own verse from SN 11.4 word for word.
saṁyogaparamā tveva, sambhogā sabbapāṇinaṁ — “harnessed work is the highest thing of value for all living creatures” — Verocana's second claim, directly contested by Sakka's patience-focused reply.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove. Now at that time the Buddha had gone into retreat for the day’s meditation. Then Sakka, lord of gods, and Verocana, lord of titans, approached the Buddha and stationed themselves one by each door-post. Then Verocana spoke this verse in the Buddha’s presence:

§2“A man should make an effort until his goal is accomplished. A goal is splendid when accomplished—this is the word of Verocana!”

§3“A man should make an effort until his goal is accomplished. For the goal that’s splendid when accomplished, naught better than patience is found.”

§4“All beings are in need, as they deserve in each case. But even so, harnessed work is the highest thing of value for all living creatures. A goal is splendid when accomplished—this is the word of Verocana!”

§5“All beings are in need, as they deserve in each case. But rather than harnessed work being the highest thing of value for all living creatures, for the goal that’s splendid when accomplished, naught better than patience is found.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse's structure differ from SN 11.1 through SN 11.7?
Correct: A. A structural shift back toward this collection's more familiar visiting-deity pattern.
Question 2 of 10
Where do Sakka and Verocana position themselves upon arriving?
Correct: A. The physical staging of the visit.
Question 3 of 10
Does the Buddha speak at any point in this discourse?
Correct: A. The exchange is conducted entirely between the two visiting deities.
Question 4 of 10
What premise do Verocana's and Sakka's opening verses share?
Correct: A. Nearly identical opening lines before their conclusions diverge.
Question 5 of 10
What does Sakka's verse offer as the true completion of a splendid, accomplished goal?
Correct: A. Sakka's consistent conclusion, echoing his own earlier verses.
Question 6 of 10
Where else in this saṃyutta does Sakka use the identical phrase about patience?
Correct: A. A direct verbal echo tying this discourse back to SN 11.4.
Question 7 of 10
What does Verocana claim is the highest thing of value for all living creatures in the second exchange?
Correct: A. Verocana's second claim, directly contested by Sakka's reply.
Question 8 of 10
How does the second round of verses relate to the first?
Correct: A. The pattern repeats rather than resolving after one exchange.
Question 9 of 10
What is the Buddha doing when Sakka and Verocana arrive?
Correct: A. The setting that frames the entire visit.
Question 10 of 10
Who is Verocana within this discourse's mythological framework?
Correct: A. A titan-side counterpart figure to Sakka in this exchange.
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Further reading

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