Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 12.50

A Noble Disciple (2nd)

Dutiyaariyasāvakasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
The Buddha alone, addressing the assembled mendicants
Form
The same contrast and chain as SN 12.49, with the closing cascade of epithets given in full rather than elided
Length
~6 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — closing this chapter with its fullest single statement of a noble disciple's understanding

Why this discourse

Closing Gahapativagga, this discourse repeats SN 12.49's teaching almost word for word — the same hypothetical question the disciple doesn't think, the same knowledge independent of others, the same forward and reverse chain — but reverses where the compression falls. This discourse elides more of its middle sections with peyyāla than SN 12.49 does, yet spells out in full something SN 12.49 elides: the complete cascade of nine epithets describing the disciple who holds this understanding, from "accomplished in view" through "a noble one with penetrative wisdom" to the closing image of one who stands at the door to freedom from death. Sujato's translation renders that closing phrase differently in the two twin discourses — "knocking" in SN 12.49, "pressing against" here — despite the identical Pali underlying both, a small, honestly noted variation in how the same phrase has been rendered twice.

Reading guide

The same teaching, compression redistributed

Every substantive element of SN 12.49 reappears here — the unasked question, knowledge independent of others, the full chain — but this discourse elides more of its middle material with peyyāla than its twin, while expanding elsewhere.

Nine epithets, spelled out where SN 12.49 elides them

SN 12.49's closing cascade of titles for the understanding disciple uses a peyyāla ellipsis partway through; this discourse gives all nine in full — accomplished in view, accomplished in vision, come to the true teaching, one who sees the true teaching, endowed with a trainee's knowledge, endowed with a trainee's wisdom, entered the stream of the teaching, a noble one with penetrative wisdom — before the closing image.

One phrase, two different translations

The closing phrase “amatadvāraṁ āhacca tiṭṭhati” is identical in the Pali of both discourses, yet Sujato renders it “stands knocking at the door to freedom from death” in SN 12.49 and “stands pressing against the door to freedom from death” here — a small, honestly noted translation variance between twin discourses rather than a difference in the underlying text.

A chapter closing on understanding, not narrative drama

Unlike some other vaggas in this saṃyutta, which close on a dramatic or emotionally weighted episode, Gahapativagga ends on a purely doctrinal note: what exactly a noble disciple's settled understanding of dependent origination consists of, restated once more for emphasis.

The vagga's own closing verse, present but untranslated

This discourse carries Gahapativagga's closing verse of discourse titles, not translated in the source and not quoted here; its ten titles are described in the reading guide's summary of this chapter instead, following the same convention used at the close of Kaḷārakhattiyavagga.

Key terms

aparappaccayā ñāṇaṁ — “knowledge independent of others” — the same key term as SN 12.49.
evamayaṁ loko samudayatī… nirujjhatī — “that is how this world originates… ceases” — the same closing understanding as SN 12.49, for each direction of the chain.
dassanasampanno… sekkhena ñāṇena samannāgato… ariyo nibbedhikapañño — “accomplished in vision… endowed with a trainee's knowledge… a noble one with penetrative wisdom” — part of the nine-epithet cascade this discourse spells out in full where SN 12.49 elides it with peyyāla.
amatadvāraṁ āhacca tiṭṭhati — “stands pressing against the door to freedom from death” — the identical Pali phrase Sujato renders as “knocking” in SN 12.49, translated differently here.
kismiṁ sati kiṁ hoti, kissuppādā kiṁ uppajjati — “when what exists, what is? Due to the arising of what, what arises?” — the same hypothetical question form the disciple does not think, shared with SN 12.49.

The text

The discourse in full, closing Gahapativagga. The chapter's closing verse of discourse titles is not translated in the source and is not quoted here; see the reading guide above for its contents. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, a learned noble disciple doesn’t think:

§2‘When what exists, what is? Due to the arising of what, what arises? When what exists do choices come to be? When what exists does consciousness come to be? When what exists do name and form … the six sense fields … contact … feeling … craving … grasping … continued existence … rebirth … old age and death come to be?’

§3Rather, a learned noble disciple has only knowledge about this that is independent of others: ‘When this exists, this comes to be; due to the arising of this, this arises. When ignorance exists, choices come to be. When choices exist consciousness comes to be. When consciousness exists name and form come to be. When name and form exist the six sense fields come to be. When the six sense fields exist contact comes to be. When contact exists feeling comes to be. When feeling exists craving comes to be. When craving exists grasping comes to be. When grasping exists continued existence comes to be. When continued existence exists rebirth comes to be. When rebirth exists old age and death come to be.’ They understand: ‘That is how this world originates.’

§4A learned noble disciple doesn’t think: ‘When what doesn’t exist, what is not? Due to the cessation of what, what ceases? When what doesn’t exist do choices not come to be? When what doesn’t exist does consciousness not come to be? When what doesn’t exist do name and form … the six sense fields … contact … feeling … craving … grasping … continued existence … rebirth … old age and death not come to be?’

§5Rather, a learned noble disciple has only knowledge about this that is independent of others: ‘When this doesn’t exist, this doesn’t come to be; due to the cessation of this, this ceases. That is: When ignorance doesn’t exists, choices don’t come to be. When choices don’t exist consciousness doesn’t come to be. When consciousness doesn’t exist name and form don’t come to be. When name and form don’t exist the six sense fields don’t come to be. … When rebirth doesn’t exist old age and death don’t come to be.’ They understand: ‘That is how this world ceases.’

§6A noble disciple comes to truly understand the origin and ending of the world. Such a noble disciple is one who is called ‘one accomplished in view’, ‘one accomplished in vision’, ‘one who has come to the true teaching’, ‘one who sees this true teaching’, ‘one endowed with a trainee’s knowledge’, ‘one who has entered the stream of the teaching’, ‘a noble one with penetrative wisdom’, and also ‘one who stands pressing against the door to freedom from death’.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse's teaching compare to SN 12.49's?
Correct: A. Same content, differently compressed in different places.
Question 2 of 10
What does this discourse spell out in full that SN 12.49 elides?
Correct: A. All nine epithets given here, where SN 12.49 uses an ellipsis partway through.
Question 3 of 10
How does Sujato translate "amatadvāraṁ āhacca tiṭṭhati" in this discourse, compared to SN 12.49?
Correct: A. A small, honestly noted translation variance between twin discourses.
Question 4 of 10
What does this discourse's closing verse of discourse titles consist of?
Correct: A. Following the same convention used for untranslated closing material elsewhere in this saṃyutta.
Question 5 of 10
What chapter does this discourse close?
Correct: A. The fifth chapter of Nidānavagga, named for its opening discourse's householder.
Question 6 of 10
What does the disciple understand at the close of each direction of the chain?
Correct: A. The same equation of the world with this process as SN 12.49.
Question 7 of 10
Does Gahapativagga close on a dramatic narrative episode, like some other vaggas in this saṃyutta?
Correct: A. A quieter, doctrinally focused close than Book I's more narrative vagga endings.
Question 8 of 10
What term names the epistemic status the disciple has instead of open questions?
Correct: A. The same key term used in SN 12.49.
Question 9 of 10
Who is the sole speaker in this discourse?
Correct: A. No interlocutor or visiting figure appears.
Question 10 of 10
Where does the Buddha deliver this teaching?
Correct: A. The same setting as SN 12.49, immediately before it.
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