Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 14.39

Ascetics and Brahmins (3rd)

Tatiyasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
The Buddha alone, addressing the assembled mendicants
Form
The true-ascetic-or-brahmin criterion reformulated a third time, closing with this saṃyutta's own formal colophon
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — closes the whole saṃyutta, worth reading against SN 14.37–38's earlier versions of the same criterion

Why this discourse

This discourse closes both Catutthavagga and Dhātusaṃyutta itself, reformulating the true-ascetic-or-brahmin criterion a third time — not by adding more categories to gratification, drawback, and escape, but by switching to an entirely different four-part structure recognizable from the four noble truths: understanding each element itself, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. Genuine ascetics and brahmins are those who understand all four, for each of the four elements; those who don't, however they are regarded by their own communities, don't earn the title from the Buddha. The discourse closes with this saṃyutta's own colophon: “the Linked Discourses on the elements are complete.”

Reading guide

A third reformulation, not a third expansion

SN 14.38 expanded SN 14.37's three categories to five; this discourse doesn't expand further but switches structure entirely, to element, origin, cessation, and path — four terms in a genuinely different shape.

A structure recognizable from the four noble truths

Dukkha, samudaya, nirodha, magga — suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path to its cessation — is the four noble truths' own shape, applied here specifically to each of the four elements rather than to suffering as a whole.

The criterion's third and final version in this saṃyutta

Read across all three “ascetics and brahmins” discourses, the test for genuine attainment has now been stated three different ways — three categories, five categories, and finally this four-part path structure — without any of the three ever being declared the single correct version.

A formal close, translated and quoted directly

Unlike the untranslated uddāna verses closing earlier vaggas in this saṃyutta, this final line — “Dhātusaṁyuttaṁ samattaṁ,” “the Linked Discourses on the elements are complete” — is itself translated, and is quoted here directly as meaningful closing content, not merely described.

Thirty-nine discourses, four vaggas, one saṃyutta complete

From SN 14.1's bare eighteen-element list through this discourse's four-noble-truths-shaped criterion, Dhātusaṃyutta has moved through formula chains, meditative attainments, named historical figures, combinatorial ethics, and finally this repeated gratification-and-path investigation of the four physical elements — a genuinely wide-ranging saṃyutta for a single organizing word, dhātu, element.

Key terms

pathavīdhātuṁ pajānanti — “they understand the earth element” — the first of this discourse's four-part criterion, understanding the element itself directly.
pathavīdhātusamudayaṁ — “the earth element's origin” — the second part, distinct from SN 14.38's samudaya in being embedded in this specific four-truths-shaped structure.
pathavīdhātunirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ — “the practice that leads to the cessation of the earth element” — the fourth and final part, giving this criterion its distinctly path-shaped structure.
sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ vā — “the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin” — the same standard from SN 14.37, carried through unchanged into this final reformulation.
dhātusaṁyuttaṁ samattaṁ — “the Linked Discourses on the elements are complete” — the translated colophon closing this entire saṃyutta, not merely this vagga.

The text

The discourse in full. The vagga's closing verse of discourse titles is not translated in the source and is not quoted here, but the saṃyutta's own formal closing line is translated and is quoted below. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, there are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand the earth element, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. They don’t understand the water element … fire element … air element … Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight.

§2There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand the earth element, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. They do understand the water element … the fire element … the air element … Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

§3The Linked Discourses on the elements are complete.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse's criterion differ structurally from SN 14.38's?
Correct: A. A reformulation in shape, not simply another expansion in number.
Question 2 of 10
What well-known structure does this discourse's four-part criterion resemble?
Correct: A. Dukkha, samudaya, nirodha, magga, applied here to each element specifically.
Question 3 of 10
How many times, across SN 14.37-39, is the true-ascetic-or-brahmin criterion reformulated?
Correct: A. None declared the single correct version; three genuinely different formulations.
Question 4 of 10
What happens to this saṃyutta's final closing line, unlike the untranslated uddāna verses before it?
Correct: A. "The Linked Discourses on the elements are complete" — meaningful translated content, quoted directly.
Question 5 of 10
What does this discourse's closing colophon confirm about the scope of what has ended?
Correct: A. Dhātusaṁyuttaṁ samattaṁ, naming the saṃyutta itself as complete.
Question 6 of 10
How does this reading guide summarize Dhātusaṃyutta's overall range across all four vaggas?
Correct: A. A genuinely wide-ranging saṃyutta organized around one word, dhātu.
Question 7 of 10
What is the fourth and final part of this discourse's criterion?
Correct: A. Paṭipadā, giving this final criterion its distinctly path-shaped structure.
Question 8 of 10
Who is the sole speaker in this discourse?
Correct: A. No interlocutor or visitor appears; the Buddha teaches directly.
Question 9 of 10
Where does the Buddha deliver this teaching?
Correct: A. The setting shared with most discourses in this collection.
Question 10 of 10
What numbering tag closes this discourse?
Correct: A. The tenth and final discourse of Catutthavagga, and of Dhātusaṃyutta itself.
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