Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 15.3

Tears

Assusutta

Setting
Near Sāvatthī; no interlocutor named — addressed directly to the assembled mendicants
Speakers
The Buddha alone, posing a question that the mendicants answer together as one voice
Form
A single rhetorical question, a brief collective reply, and the Buddha’s confirming answer with a short list of griefs
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — brief and direct, with plain language throughout; its weight is emotional rather than doctrinal

Why this discourse

Some teachings work by argument, and some work by simply making a number too large to hold in the mind. This one belongs to the second kind. It sits in a short chapter of the Saṃyutta Nikāya devoted entirely to the sheer, barely-imaginable duration of saṃsāra — the round of repeated birth and death said to have no discoverable starting point — and it makes that duration felt rather than merely stated, by asking the mendicants to compare something they already know intimately, their own grief, against something famously vast, the ocean. The math is almost beside the point. What the sutta wants is for the listener to feel, if only for a moment, the actual scale of what is being described, and to let that feeling do some of the work that argument alone rarely can.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Across the beginningless wandering of saṃsāra, the tears anyone has shed at losing what they loved already outweigh the water in all four oceans combined — a scale of grief so far beyond ordinary reckoning that it is, the Buddha says, more than enough reason to grow disillusioned with all conditioned things and let them go.

A chapter about scale

This short discourse belongs to the Anamatagga Saṃyutta, a chapter of the Saṃyutta Nikāya organized around a single idea stated at the very start: this transmigration, this repeated round of birth and death, “has no known beginning.” No first point can be found for beings roaming on, “shrouded by ignorance and fettered by craving.” Several short suttas in this same chapter each take one measurable thing — a mountain of bones, drops of milk from a mother’s breast, blood shed in violent death — and show that it dwarfs some famous unit of scale precisely because the wandering behind it has been going on, quite literally, forever. This sutta is one of those, and its chosen measure is tears.

A question with only one honest answer

The Buddha does not begin by asserting anything. He asks: which is more — “the flow of tears you’ve shed while roaming and transmigrating for such a very long time… or the water in the four oceans?” The mendicants, answering as a body rather than as individuals, give the only answer the premise allows: the tears are more. Their reply matters as much as the Buddha’s follow-up, since it shows the teaching landing correctly before it is even confirmed — this is not a riddle with a hidden trick, but a plain question about relative scale, and anyone who has genuinely grasped “no known beginning” already knows the answer.

Grief, named plainly

The Buddha confirms the answer and then makes the grief concrete, running through a short list: the death of a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, a son, a daughter, the loss of relatives, the loss of wealth, and loss through illness. Each of these, the text says, has been undergone “for a long time” — not once, but times beyond counting, across a past with no discoverable start. The list is deliberately ordinary. It names exactly the losses that make up an ordinary human life, and then multiplies each one by an incomprehensible number of repetitions, which is what turns familiar grief into something closer to cosmic weather — not a single storm but the entire climate of an existence lived over and over.

What the scale is for

The sutta closes by stating its own purpose without ambiguity: “This is quite enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed regarding all conditions.” The size of the number is not offered as trivia or as an invitation to despair; it is offered as leverage. If the ordinary losses of one lifetime are already painful, and this same pattern of loss has repeated an uncountable number of times across a past without beginning, then the conditioned world — the whole arrangement of birth, relationship, and death that keeps producing this grief — is shown to be a poor long-term bet by any honest reckoning. Disenchantment here is not cynicism; it is closer to what anyone might feel on finally seeing the true size of a problem they had been treating as merely occasional.

One simile among several, not the whole chapter

It is worth being precise about what this particular sutta does and does not contain. The Anamatagga Saṃyutta uses several different similes across its short suttas to make the same underlying point about the length of saṃsāra — elsewhere in the chapter the measure is a mother’s milk, or blood shed through violent death, or a mountain ground down by a cloth wiped across it once every hundred years. This discourse, on its own, uses only tears. The other similes are worth reading in their own right, but they belong to neighboring suttas, not to this one; the strength of this text is precisely its singular focus on one image, carried through cleanly from question to conclusion.

Key terms

anamatagga — “without discoverable beginning”: the name of the chapter this sutta belongs to, and the premise on which its argument depends.
saṃsāra — the round of repeated birth, death, and rebirth; here explicitly said to be “shrouded by ignorance and fettered by craving,” with no first point that can be located.
the four oceans — the great bodies of water surrounding the world in ancient Indian cosmology, invoked here as the largest familiar quantity of water available for comparison.
nibbindati / virajjati / vimuccati — “grows disillusioned,” “becomes dispassionate,” “is freed”: the standard three-step sequence the tradition uses to describe how clear seeing leads to release, invoked directly in this sutta’s closing line.

The text

The discourse in full: the Buddha’s question, the mendicants’ collective reply, and his confirming answer with the list of griefs. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

A question of scale

§1At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, this transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, shrouded by ignorance and fettered by craving. What do you think? Which is more: the flow of tears you’ve shed while roaming and transmigrating for such a very long time — weeping and wailing from being coupled with the unloved and separated from the loved — or the water in the four oceans?”

“As we understand the Buddha’s teaching, the flow of tears we’ve shed while roaming and transmigrating is more than the water in the four oceans.”

Grief innumerable

§2“Good, good, mendicants! It’s good that you understand my teaching like this. The flow of tears you’ve shed while roaming and transmigrating is indeed more than the water in the four oceans. For a long time you’ve undergone the death of a mother … father … brother … sister … son … daughter … loss of relatives … loss of wealth … or loss through illness. From being coupled with the unloved and separated from the loved, the flow of tears you’ve shed while roaming and transmigrating is indeed more than the water in the four oceans. Why is that? This transmigration has no known beginning. … This is quite enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed regarding all conditions.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What premise does the Buddha state at the very start of this discourse?
Correct: C. This is the chapter's organizing premise, stated as fact before the comparison is even posed.
Question 2 of 10
What two quantities does the Buddha ask the mendicants to compare?
Correct: B. The comparison is deliberately between something intimately felt (grief) and something proverbially vast (the ocean).
Question 3 of 10
How do the mendicants answer the Buddha's question?
Correct: D. They answer together, as a body, and correctly — showing they have already grasped the premise.
Question 4 of 10
What specific losses does the Buddha list as causes of this weeping?
Correct: A. A short, deliberately ordinary list of the losses that make up a human life.
Question 5 of 10
According to the reading guide, why does this ordinary list of griefs become so significant here?
Correct: C. The multiplication across beginningless time is what gives the ordinary list its cosmic weight.
Question 6 of 10
What does the Buddha say this teaching is "quite enough" for?
Correct: B. The closing line states the sutta's purpose directly: disenchantment leading toward freedom, not despair for its own sake.
Question 7 of 10
What chapter of the Saṃyutta Nikāya does this discourse belong to, and what is that chapter's organizing theme?
Correct: D. This sutta is one of several in that chapter using a comparison of scale to make the same underlying point.
Question 8 of 10
Does this specific sutta itself describe the similes of a mother's milk, blood shed in violent death, or a mountain ground down by a cloth?
Correct: A. The reading guide is explicit that this sutta's strength lies in its single, uninterrupted focus on tears alone.
Question 9 of 10
What causes the weeping and wailing described in this discourse, according to the text?
Correct: C. This exact phrase recurs both in the opening question and in the closing confirmation.
Question 10 of 10
How does the reading guide characterize the kind of teaching this discourse represents?
Correct: B. The sutta's method is to make its point through felt scale rather than discursive argument.
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