Reading guide
A story with real dialogue, not a single-scene image
Unlike SN 17.2's compact hook simile, this discourse gives its two turtles actual back-and-forth speech — a warning ignored, a wound reported, a devastating verdict delivered — making the danger feel like a real event with real consequences rather than an abstract illustration.
Surviving the wound isn't the same as escaping the danger
The turtle insists she's “not hurt or injured,” and in the narrowest sense she's telling the truth; the other turtle's point is that the cord still attached to her is itself the injury, regardless of how she feels.
A third term added to this vagga's decoding vocabulary
Where SN 17.2 decoded only angler and hook, this discourse adds a third element: the cord, decoded as nandīrāga, greed and relishing — the specific attachment that keeps someone tethered to the danger even after the initial encounter.
A pattern framed as generational, not merely personal
The other turtle doesn't just warn about this specific cord; he names it as the same thing that destroyed her father and grandfather — treating the danger as a recurring family pattern rather than a one-time accident.
Expulsion, not merely warning, as the story's ending
The fable doesn't end with advice; it ends with rejection — “go now, you are no longer one of us” — giving this discourse's warning real social and emotional weight beyond the abstract danger it illustrates.
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The text
§1At Sāvatthī. “Possessions, honor, and popularity are grim … Once upon a time in a certain lake there was a large family of turtles that had lived there for a long time. Then one of the turtles said to another, ‘My dear turtle, don’t you go to that place.’ But that turtle did go to that place, and a hunter pierced her with a harpoon. Then that turtle went back to the other turtle. When the other turtle saw her coming off in the distance, he said, ‘My dear turtle, I hope you didn’t go to that place!’ ‘I did.’ ‘But my dear turtle, I hope you’re not hurt or injured!’ ‘I’m not hurt or injured. But this cord keeps dragging behind me.’ ‘Indeed, my dear turtle, you’re hurt and injured! Your father and grandfather met with tragedy and disaster because of such a cord. Go now, you are no longer one of us.’
§2‘Hunter’ is a term for Māra the Wicked. ‘Harpoon’ is a term for possessions, honor, and popularity. ‘Cord’ is a term for greed and relishing. Whoever enjoys and likes arisen possessions, honor, and popularity is called a mendicant who has been pierced with a harpoon. They’ve met with tragedy and disaster, and the Wicked One can do with them what he wants. So grim are possessions, honor, and popularity. …”
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