Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 24.1

Winds

Vātasutta — Sotāpattivagga

Setting
Sāvatthī, Jeta's Grove
Speakers
The Buddha addressing the mendicants
Form
A single strange view, diagnosed through all five aggregates plus a sixth ground, ending in the stream-enterer's declaration
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — the view itself is odd but the diagnostic machinery is fully spelled out, nothing left implicit

Why this discourse

Opens Diṭṭhisaṃyutta ("Linked Discourses on Views") and its first vagga, Sotāpattivagga ("The Chapter on Stream-Entry"), eighteen discourses that will run the identical diagnostic question through eighteen different views, this book's own colophon later confirms them as "the eighteen expositions." This first one sets the template at full length: an odd claim about the world's mechanics, traced back to grasping the aggregates, and dismantled through the same impermanence catechism this book has used since SN 22.1 — except here the conclusion is stream-entry rather than full liberation, matching this vagga's own name.

Reading guide

A new saṃyutta, its own opening frame

"At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta's Grove. The Buddha said this:" — the fullest opening formula this book has used since SN 22.1 itself, appropriate to a discourse launching a new saṃyutta rather than continuing mid-sequence.

The mendicants formally request elaboration ("our teachings are rooted in the Buddha... may the Buddha himself please clarify the meaning of this") and the Buddha explicitly asks them to listen well before speaking — ceremony this book usually skips when continuing an already-established exchange.

A view about a world that runs itself into a halt

"Winds don't blow; rivers don't flow; pregnant women don't give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar" — not a claim about the self directly, but about the natural world freezing into permanence, everything that ordinarily moves and changes instead standing fixed.

The question format itself is new to this book: "when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise" — naming grasping (upādāya) and insisting (abhinivissa) as the two conditions, rather than this book's more familiar single term for clinging to the aggregates.

The same catechism, one ground at a time, six times over

Each aggregate in turn is shown to be impermanent, therefore suffering, therefore incapable of grounding a view about a world standing motionless — run twice, once compressed across all five aggregates together (3.1–3.15) and once naming feeling, perception, and choices individually (4.1–4.10), before adding a sixth ground unique to this book: "that which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind" (4.11–4.17), broadening the diagnostic beyond the five aggregates to cognitive experience generally.

A stream-enterer, not an arahant

"When a noble disciple has given up doubt regarding these six grounds, and has given up doubt in suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, they're called a noble disciple who is a stream-enterer" — a different destination from this book's usual arahant-refrain ("nothing further for this place"), naming the vagga's own goal explicitly: giving up doubt about these grounds and the four noble truths, not eradicating craving entirely.

Key terms

upādāya... abhinivissa — grasping... and insisting on — the two conditions this book's opening formula names, distinct from earlier Khandhavagga phrasing
chaṭṭhaṁ vatthu — the sixth ground — "that which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind," added beyond the five aggregates
kaṅkhā pahīnā — doubt given up — the precise criterion this vagga uses for certifying stream-entry, distinct from the arahant-refrain's full unbinding
sotāpanno avinipātadhammo niyato sambodhiparāyano — a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, assured, destined for awakening — the standing formula closing all eighteen discourses of this vagga
aṭṭhārasa veyyākaraṇāni — the eighteen expositions — this vagga's own later self-description of its full set, confirmed in SN 24.18's closing colophon

The text

The complete discourse: the strange view named in full, then the aggregate-by-aggregate diagnostic and stream-enterer conclusion. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove. The Buddha said this: “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’?”

§2“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. He is our guide and our refuge. Sir, may the Buddha himself please clarify the meaning of this. The mendicants will listen and remember it.” “Well then, mendicants, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.” “Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

§3“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’ When feeling … perception … choices … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’ What do you think, mendicants? Is form permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would the view arise: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar’?” “No, sir.” “Is feeling … perception … choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would the view arise: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar’?” “No, sir.”

§4“That which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind: is that permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would the view arise: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar’?” “No, sir.”

§5“When a noble disciple has given up doubt regarding these six grounds, and has given up doubt in suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, they’re called a noble disciple who is a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, assured, destined for awakening.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What view does this opening discourse examine?
Correct: A. A claim about the natural world freezing into permanence, not directly about the self.
Question 2 of 10
What two conditions does this discourse's opening question name?
Correct: A. Upādāya and abhinivissa — this book's new formula for how views take root in the aggregates.
Question 3 of 10
What sixth ground does this discourse add beyond the five aggregates?
Correct: A. Broadening the diagnostic beyond the aggregates to cognitive experience generally.
Question 4 of 10
What does this vagga's conclusion certify, unlike this book's more familiar arahant-refrain?
Correct: A. Giving up doubt about the six grounds and the four noble truths, matching this vagga's own name.
Question 5 of 10
What ceremony does this discourse include that this book often skips mid-sequence?
Correct: A. Appropriate to a discourse launching an entirely new saṃyutta.
Question 6 of 10
How many discourses does this vagga's own later colophon confirm it comprises?
Correct: A. Confirmed as "the eighteen expositions" at SN 24.18's own closing.
Question 7 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. The fullest opening formula this book has used since SN 22.1 itself.
Question 8 of 10
What is the criterion for stream-entry given in this discourse's conclusion?
Correct: A. A more modest criterion than the eradication of craving this book's arahant-refrain requires.
Question 9 of 10
What saṃyutta does this discourse open?
Correct: A. This book's fourth saṃyutta, beginning its own first vagga, Sotāpattivagga.
Question 10 of 10
How is the aggregate catechism structured in this discourse?
Correct: A. The fullest single treatment this vagga's eighteen discourses will give any one view.
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