Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 36.23

With a Mendicant

Aññatarabhikkhusutta — Aṭṭhasatapariyāyavagga

Setting
Not restated beyond the mendicant's approach to the Buddha
Speakers
An unnamed mendicant and the Buddha
Form
An eightfold catechism question, answered point by point
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — an expanded version of a catechism already met in the previous vagga, worth comparing carefully

Why this discourse

This discourse expands the sevenfold catechism this project already met four times in Rahogatavagga (SN 36.15–18) into eight parts: what is feeling, its origin, the practice leading to its origin, its cessation, the practice leading to its cessation, and its gratification, drawback, and escape. The new fourth item — what practice leads to feeling's own arising — receives a direct, single-word answer: craving (taṇhā), added between origin (contact) and cessation without disturbing the familiar formula for the other seven parts.

Reading guide

A catechism grown by exactly one question

Comparing this discourse directly against SN 36.15's own sevenfold version shows precisely one addition: “what's the practice that leads to the origin of feeling?” inserted right after the origin question itself, with every other element of the catechism unchanged.

Craving named as feeling's own arising practice

Where contact (phassa) is feeling's origin, craving (taṇhā) is named as what actively leads to that origin — a distinction between the mere condition for feeling to arise and the active force that drives its arising forward, paralleling the second and third noble truths' own relationship between suffering and its cause.

The eightfold path retained as the mirror-image answer

Just as craving answers the newly added question about feeling's arising, the noble eightfold path continues to answer the cessation question — the two practices standing in careful symmetry, one leading toward feeling's continuation, the other toward its ending.

A structural link this project can now name precisely

This discourse makes explicit a link the sevenfold catechism in Rahogatavagga left implicit: feeling doesn't just happen to arise from contact; it is actively driven onward by craving, giving the whole catechism a fuller shape mirroring dependent origination's own arising and ceasing sequence.

Key terms

kā vedanā, ko vedanāsamudayo, kā vedanāsamudayagāminī paṭipadā — “what is feeling? what's the origin of feeling? what's the practice leading to the origin of feeling?” — the discourse's own newly expanded opening three-part question
vedanāsamudayagāminī paṭipadā — “the practice that leads to the origin of feeling” — the new fourth item, absent from the sevenfold catechism met earlier in this saṃyutta
taṇhā — craving — the discourse's own single-word answer to the newly added question
phassasamudayā vedanāsamudayo — “feeling originates from contact” — retained unchanged from the earlier sevenfold catechism
ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo — the noble eightfold path — retained as the answer to feeling's own cessation, standing in symmetry with craving as the answer to its arising

The text

The complete discourse: the expanded eightfold question and the Buddha's own answer. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Then a mendicant went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: “Sir, what is feeling? What’s the origin of feeling? What’s the practice that leads to the origin of feeling? What’s the cessation of feeling? What’s the practice that leads to the cessation of feeling? And what is feeling’s gratification, drawback, and escape?”

§2“Mendicant, there are these three feelings: pleasant, painful, and neutral. These are called feelings. Feeling originates from contact. Craving is the practice that leads to the origin of feeling. When contact ceases, feeling ceases. The practice that leads to the cessation of feelings is simply this noble eightfold path, that is: right view, right purpose, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right immersion. The pleasure and happiness that arise from feeling: this is its gratification. That feeling is impermanent, suffering, and perishable: this is its drawback. Removing and giving up desire and greed for feeling: this is its escape.”

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Self-check quiz

5 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 5
How does this discourse's catechism compare to the sevenfold version met earlier in this saṃyutta (SN 36.15)?
Correct: A. One addition, inserted right after the origin question, with every other element unchanged.
Question 2 of 5
What single-word answer does the Buddha give to the newly added question?
Correct: A. Distinguishing the mere condition for feeling (contact) from the active force driving its arising (craving).
Question 3 of 5
What noble truths pattern does the craving/origin distinction parallel?
Correct: A. A distinction between the condition for arising and the active force driving it forward.
Question 4 of 5
What continues to answer the cessation question in this expanded catechism?
Correct: A. One practice drives feeling's continuation, the other drives its ending — a careful symmetry.
Question 5 of 5
What does this discourse make explicit that the earlier sevenfold catechism left implicit?
Correct: A. Giving the catechism a fuller shape mirroring dependent origination's own arising and ceasing sequence.
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