Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 4.10

Lifespan (2nd)

Dutiyaāyusutta

Setting
Near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants, then Māra the Wicked
Form
A near-repeat of SN 4.9's teaching, met by a second, differently imaged denial from Māra
Length
~1.5 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — best read directly against SN 4.9 for what changes in Māra's second attempt

Why this discourse

Closing the vagga that takes its name from this pair, this discourse repeats SN 4.9's teaching almost word for word — human life is short, no one is exempt, do what is skillful now — but Māra's second attempt at denial takes a different tack: not urging complacent enjoyment this time, but denying the very premise of urgency, claiming days and nights don't rush by and life isn't cut short, rolling on steadily like a chariot's rim around its hub. The Buddha's reply matches image for image: life doesn't roll on steadily at all, but wastes away like water in tiny streams.

Reading guide

The same teaching, repeated rather than developed

Unlike many paired discourses in this collection that escalate or add content on repetition, this discourse's opening teaching to the mendicants is essentially identical to SN 4.9's, testing whether Māra's second attempt can succeed where roughly the same words already failed once.

A different strategy this time: denying urgency itself

Where Māra's first attempt (SN 4.9) urged complacent enjoyment while conceding death would eventually come, this second attempt is more radical: it denies that time moves quickly or that life shortens at all, contesting the premise underlying the entire teaching rather than merely its practical implications.

A chariot's rim: steady, cyclical, undiminishing

Māra's image — life ‘rolling on’ like a chariot wheel's rim around its hub — suggests circular, self-renewing motion rather than linear depletion, a picture of time that never actually runs out.

Tiny streams: steady, but toward vanishing, not renewal

The Buddha's answering image keeps the same quality of steady, ongoing motion Māra proposed, but reverses its direction entirely: water in tiny streams doesn't cycle back, it wastes away toward nothing, matching Māra's steadiness while reversing what that steadiness leads to.

A vagga's name, and its own closing colophon

This discourse's title, paired with SN 4.9's, gives the Jīvitavagga (‘Chapter on Lifespan’) its name — consistent with the naming pattern already observed across the Devaputtasaṃyutta and Kosalasaṃyutta, where a vagga takes its title from a discourse near or at its close, here fitting a full pair rather than a single discourse.

Key terms

Jīvita — “lifespan” — the shared subject of this discourse and SN 4.9, naming the vagga they close.
ahorattā na tarayanti — “days and nights don't rush by” — Māra's second denial, contesting the premise of urgency itself.
rathanābhīva parivattati — “like a chariot's rim around the hub” — Māra's image of steady, self-renewing, undiminishing time.
kunnadīsu appodakaṁ — “like the water in tiny streams” — the Buddha's answering image, keeping steadiness while reversing its direction toward wasting away.
khīyati āyu maccānaṁ — “the life of mortals wastes away” — the verse's closing claim, matched directly against Māra's claim of undiminishing life.

The text

The discourse in full: the near-repeated teaching, Māra's second denial, and the matching reply, with the closing uddāna left blank in the source and not quoted here. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground. There the Buddha … said:

§2“Mendicants, the lifespan of humans is short. You must go to the next life. So you should do what is skillful, you should practice the spiritual life. No-one born is immortal. A long life is a hundred years or a little more.”

§3Then Māra the Wicked went up to the Buddha and addressed him in verse:

§4“The days and nights don’t rush by, and life isn’t cut short. The life of mortals keeps rolling on, like a chariot’s rim around the hub.”

§5“The days and nights rush by, and then life is cut short. The life of mortals wastes away, like the water in tiny streams.”

§6Then Māra the Wicked, thinking, “The Buddha knows me! The Holy One knows me!” miserable and sad, vanished right there.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse's opening teaching compare to SN 4.9's?
Correct: A. Testing whether Māra's second attempt can succeed where similar words already failed once.
Question 2 of 10
How does Māra's strategy in this discourse differ from SN 4.9's?
Correct: A. A more radical denial, contesting the premise of urgency rather than its practical implications.
Question 3 of 10
What image does Māra use for time's movement?
Correct: A. Suggesting circular, self-renewing motion rather than linear depletion.
Question 4 of 10
How does the Buddha's answering image relate to Māra's chariot image?
Correct: A. Water in tiny streams, matching Māra's steadiness while reversing what it leads to.
Question 5 of 10
What does the Buddha's closing verse claim?
Correct: A. Matched directly against Māra's claim of undiminishing life.
Question 6 of 10
What vagga does this discourse close, and how does it get its name?
Correct: A. A full pair, rather than a single discourse, giving the vagga its name.
Question 7 of 10
What naming pattern does this closing continue?
Correct: A. Consistent with the pattern already observed across the Devaputtasaṃyutta and Kosalasaṃyutta.
Question 8 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. The same location as SN 4.9 and several other discourses in this vagga.
Question 9 of 10
What is left untranslated at the very close of this discourse in the source?
Correct: A. Blank in the source, consistent with how such closings are handled elsewhere in this collection.
Question 10 of 10
How does this pair's relationship compare to SN 3.19 and SN 3.20's duology?
Correct: A. A pattern of paired closing discourses this collection uses across different saṃyuttas.
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