Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 47.23

Decline

Parihānasutta — Sīlaṭṭhitivagga

Setting
The Chicken Monastery, near Pāṭaliputta — the same setting as SN 47.21 and 47.22
Speakers
Venerable Bhadda and Venerable Ānanda
Form
A question and answer, closely paralleling SN 47.22
Length
<1 minute to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — brief, closely paired with SN 47.22

Why this discourse

Bhadda asks a question closely related to, but not identical with, SN 47.22's own question: not specifically what happens “after the Realized One's own final quenching,” but more generally what causes the true teaching to “decline” (parihāna) or not. Ānanda gives the identical answer: the deciding factor either way is whether the four kinds of mindfulness meditation are developed and cultivated.

Reading guide

A related but distinct question from SN 47.22

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse's own question uses “saddhammaparihāna” (“decline of the true teaching”), distinct Pāli vocabulary from SN 47.22's own “ciraṭṭhiti” (“long lasting”), and does not repeat SN 47.22's own explicit framing “after the Realized One's own final quenching” — a more general question about decline itself, not specifically tied to the post-parinibbāna period.

The identical answer, reported honestly as a repetition

Despite the distinct question, Ānanda's own answer is confirmed by direct comparison to be worded identically to SN 47.22's own answer, substituting only “decline” for “doesn't last long” — confirming this project's own honest-reporting convention: a genuine repetition is reported as such, not artificially varied to appear more distinct than it is.

Key terms

saddhammaparihānaṁ — “decline of the true teaching” — this discourse's own distinct term, differing from SN 47.22's own “ciraṭṭhiti” (“long lasting”)
catunnaṁ satipaṭṭhānānaṁ abhāvitattā abahulīkatattā — “because of not developing and cultivating the four kinds of mindfulness meditation” — worded identically to SN 47.22's own cause of decline
saddhammaparihānaṁ na hoti — “the true teaching doesn't decline” — the positive outcome, attributed to the identical practice
bhaddako ummaṅgo, bhaddakaṁ paṭibhānaṁ, kalyāṇī paripucchā — “your approach and eloquence are excellent, and it's a good question” — the identical opening praise already met at SN 47.21 and SN 47.22
cattāro satipaṭṭhānā — the four kinds of mindfulness meditation — named once more as the single deciding factor

The text

The complete discourse. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1 — Bhadda's own questionAt one time the venerables Ānanda and Bhadda were staying near Pāṭaliputta, in the Chicken Monastery. Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Bhadda came out of retreat, went to Venerable Ānanda, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Ānanda: “What’s the cause, Reverend Ānanda, what’s the reason why the true teaching declines? And what’s the cause, what’s the reason why the true teaching doesn’t decline?”

§2 — Ānanda's own answer“Good, good, Reverend Bhadda! Your approach and eloquence are excellent, and it’s a good question. For you asked: ‘What’s the cause, what’s the reason why the true teaching declines? And what’s the cause, what’s the reason why the true teaching doesn’t decline?’” “Yes, reverend.” “It’s because of not developing and cultivating the four kinds of mindfulness meditation that the true teaching declines. It’s because of developing and cultivating the four kinds of mindfulness meditation that the true teaching doesn’t decline.

§3 — the fourfold formula, and the answer restatedWhat four? It’s when a mendicant meditates by observing an aspect of the body—keen, aware, and mindful, rid of covetousness and displeasure for the world. They meditate observing an aspect of feelings … mind … principles—keen, aware, and mindful, rid of covetousness and displeasure for the world. It’s because of not developing and cultivating these four kinds of mindfulness meditation that the true teaching declines. And it’s because of developing and cultivating these four kinds of mindfulness meditation that the true teaching doesn’t decline.”

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Self-check quiz

3 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 3
How does this discourse's own question differ from SN 47.22's own question?
Correct: A. A genuine but subtle distinction, confirmed by direct comparison of the Pāli vocabulary used in each.
Question 2 of 3
How does Ānanda's own answer in this discourse compare to SN 47.22's own answer?
Correct: A. A genuine repetition, reported honestly rather than artificially varied to seem more distinct.
Question 3 of 3
What single factor does Ānanda name as the deciding cause for the teaching's own decline or non-decline?
Correct: A. The same single practice named in SN 47.22, confirmed here to apply to the more general question of decline as well.
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