Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 48.30

Ascetics and Brahmins (2nd)

Dutiyasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta — Chaḷindriyavagga

Setting
Not specified in the source
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants directly
Form
A contrastive statement, repeating the same fourfold structure for each of the six faculties in turn, closing with this vagga's own colophon and uddāna
Length
1–2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Significance
★★★★★ — closes Chaḷindriyavagga, confirmed exactly by its own uddāna against this project's own already-translated ten discourses

Why this discourse

This discourse closes Chaḷindriyavagga, pairing directly with SN 48.29 as its own explicit “second” installment — but where SN 48.29 applied a fivefold lens to the six faculties bundled as one unit, this discourse applies a genuinely different fourfold structure (understanding, origin, cessation, and the practice leading to cessation — the shape of the four noble truths) to each of the six faculties individually, one at a time.

Reading guide

A different lens than SN 48.29's own

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse's own analytical structure genuinely differs from SN 48.29: rather than the fivefold lens (origin, disappearance, gratification, drawback, escape) already met five times in this vagga, this discourse uses a fourfold structure — understanding a faculty, its origin, its cessation (nirodha, a stronger term than “disappearance”), and the practice leading to its cessation — the same shape as the four noble truths, applied to each of the six faculties in turn rather than to all six bundled together.

The vagga's own closing colophon and uddāna, confirmed exactly

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse's own closing colophon — “Chaḷindriyavaggo tatiyo” (“Chaḷindriyavagga, the third [vagga of this saṃyutta], is finished”) — and its own uddāna verse account for all ten discourses this project has translated in this vagga: the uddāna's eight items bundle SN 48.22 and 48.23 into a single compound word (“jīvitaññāya”) and explicitly name SN 48.29 and this discourse as a pair (“dve ca samaṇabrāhmaṇā,” “the two ascetics-and-brahmins [discourses]”) — together matching this project's own tracked sequence of all ten discourses exactly.

From bundled treatment to itemized repetition

This project's own direct comparison: SN 48.29 treated the six sense faculties as a single bundled unit judged by one criterion; this discourse instead repeats the identical fourfold judgment separately for each of the six faculties (eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind) in turn, a more granular, itemized elaboration of the same underlying concern — who deserves to be called a true ascetic or brahmin.

Key terms

Chaḷindriyavaggo tatiyo — “the third vagga, Chaḷindriyavagga, is finished” — the Pāli root's own closing colophon
cakkhundriyaṁ, cakkhundriyasamudayaṁ, cakkhundriyanirodhaṁ, cakkhundriyanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ — “the eye faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice leading to its cessation” — the fourfold structure applied to each of the six faculties in turn
nirodha — “cessation” — a stronger term than the “disappearance” (atthaṅgama) used in this vagga's own earlier fivefold-lens discourses
dve ca samaṇabrāhmaṇāti — “and the two ascetics-and-brahmins [discourses]” — the uddāna's own explicit confirmation that SN 48.29 and this discourse form a pair
Punabbhavo jīvitaññāya, ekabījī ca suddhakaṁ; Soto arahasambuddho, dve ca samaṇabrāhmaṇāti — the closing uddāna, confirmed to match this project's own SN 48.21-30 exactly, item for item

The text

The complete discourse. This vagga's own closing colophon and uddāna are described, not translated, above. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1“Mendicants, there are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand the eye faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. They don’t understand the ear faculty … nose faculty … tongue faculty … body faculty … mind faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. I don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight. There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand the eye faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. They understand the ear faculty … nose faculty … tongue faculty … body faculty … mind faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

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Self-check quiz

3 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 3
How does this discourse's own analytical structure differ from SN 48.29's own?
Correct: A. A genuinely different, more granular structure — the shape of the four noble truths, applied faculty by faculty.
Question 2 of 3
What does this discourse's own uddāna confirm?
Correct: A. The uddāna's eight items bundle SN 48.22-23 and explicitly pair SN 48.29-30, together matching all ten discourses exactly.
Question 3 of 3
What does this discourse's own colophon confirm?
Correct: A. "Chaḷindriyavaggo tatiyo" — confirming this closes the third vagga, with more of SN 48 still ahead.
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