Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 9.13

Undisciplined Faculties

Pākatindriyasutta

Setting
A forest grove in the Kosalan lands
Speakers
An unnamed forest deity and several unnamed mendicants
Form
A harsh collective rebuke, carefully qualified at its close
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — the harshest collective rebuke in this saṃyutta, with a crucial closing qualifier

Why this discourse

This discourse opens with an unusually long list of faults: several monks living in a forest grove are described as restless, insolent, fickle, scurrilous, loose-tongued, unmindful, lacking situational awareness, with straying minds and undisciplined faculties. The deity's response is correspondingly harsh, contrasting their earlier disciplined life as desireless, mindful disciples with their current state, eating heavily and collapsing unconscious in strangers' homes — calling them, at the verse's most severe point, ‘dregs, with no protector, just like those who have passed away.’ But the verse doesn't end there; its final lines carefully carve out an exception, making clear the rebuke targets specific negligent individuals, not every monk indiscriminately.

Reading guide

An unusually extensive list of faults opening the discourse

Where most discourses in this saṃyutta name one or two specific lapses, this one opens with a long chain of descriptors — restless, insolent, fickle, scurrilous, loose-tongued, and more — establishing a genuinely serious collective decline before the deity's verse even begins.

A contrast built from the monks' own former discipline

The verse's rebuke doesn't measure the monks against an external ideal; it measures them against their own earlier selves, when they sought alms and lodging desirelessly and made real progress by understanding impermanence — making the decline personal and specific rather than a general complaint.

Vivid, unflattering imagery for the current decline

‘Eat and eat and then lie down, unconscious in the homes of others’ doesn't describe abstract laxity; it paints a specific, almost comic scene of overindulgence and collapse, deliberately embarrassing rather than gently critical.

The single harshest judgment anywhere in this saṃyutta

‘Dregs, with no protector, just like those who have passed away’ is a genuinely severe comparison — equating living monks in decline with the dead — a level of harshness this reading guide notes as exceptional even within a saṃyutta that doesn't shy from blunt language.

A crucial qualifier closing the verse

The final stanza doesn't let the harsh judgment stand unqualified; it specifies explicitly that the rebuke concerns ‘those who live negligently’, while ‘those who live diligently’ receive the deity's homage instead — a distinction easy to miss if only the verse's harshest lines are remembered.

Key terms

uddhatā unnaḷā capalā mukharā vikiṇṇavācā — “restless, insolent, fickle, scurrilous, loose-tongued” — the extensive list of faults opening the discourse.
sukhajīvino pure āsuṁ…anicchā piṇḍamesanā — “the mendicants used to live happily…desireless they sought alms” — the contrasting earlier discipline the rebuke measures against.
bhutvā bhutvā nipajjanti, parāgāresu mucchitā — “they eat and eat and then lie down, unconscious in the homes of others” — a vivid, deliberately unflattering image of the current decline.
apaviddhā anāthā te, yathā petā tatheva te — “they're dregs, with no protector, just like those who have passed away” — the discourse's single harshest judgment.
ye appamattā viharanti, namo tesaṁ karomahaṁ — “to those who live diligently I pay homage” — the crucial closing qualifier sparing those still practicing well.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At one time several mendicants were staying in the Kosalan lands in a certain forest grove. They were restless, insolent, fickle, scurrilous, loose-tongued, unmindful, lacking situational awareness and immersion, with straying minds and undisciplined faculties. The deity haunting that forest had sympathy for those mendicants, and wanted what’s best for them. So they approached those mendicants wanting to stir them up, and addressed them in verse:

§2“The mendicants used to live happily, as disciples of Gotama. Desireless they sought alms; desireless they used their lodgings. Knowing that the world was impermanent they made an end of suffering.

§3But now they’ve made themselves hard to look after, like chiefs in a village. They eat and eat and then lie down, unconscious in the homes of others.

§4Having raised my cupped palms to the Saṅgha, I speak here only about certain people. They’re dregs, with no protector, just like those who have passed away.

§5I’m speaking about those who live negligently. To those who live diligently I pay homage.”

§6Impelled by that deity, those mendicants were struck with a sense of urgency.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse's opening description compare to most others in this saṃyutta?
Correct: A. A genuinely serious collective decline established before the verse even begins.
Question 2 of 10
What standard does the deity's rebuke measure the monks against?
Correct: A. Making the decline personal and specific, not a general complaint.
Question 3 of 10
How does the verse describe the monks' current behavior?
Correct: A. A vivid, deliberately unflattering and almost comic image.
Question 4 of 10
What is the discourse's single harshest judgment?
Correct: A. A genuinely severe comparison, exceptional even within this saṃyutta's blunt style.
Question 5 of 10
How does the verse qualify this harsh judgment at its close?
Correct: A. A distinction easy to miss if only the harshest lines are remembered.
Question 6 of 10
What does the deity do regarding monks who live diligently?
Correct: A. A clear, positive acknowledgment closing the verse.
Question 7 of 10
How do the monks respond to the deity's rebuke?
Correct: A. The same closing formula used throughout this saṃyutta, applied here to a group.
Question 8 of 10
What specifically enabled the monks' earlier progress, according to the verse?
Correct: A. The insight underlying their earlier successful practice.
Question 9 of 10
Where does this discourse take place?
Correct: A. The same general setting as most discourses in this saṃyutta.
Question 10 of 10
How many monks are addressed in this discourse, compared to most others in this saṃyutta?
Correct: A. A collective address, distinguishing this discourse from the saṃyutta's usual individual focus.
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