Reading guide
The teaching in one sentence
Asked to defend the philosophy behind an unusual refusal, the Buddha describes a peace that comes not from settling on the correct view but from relinquishing every view — not adopting a position, and not adopting the absence of one either, since even that would be a position in disguise.
An offer, and a question
The dialogue opens mid-scene. The Buddha recalls that even when he once saw the daughters of Māra — sirens named Craving, Malignancy, and Lust — he felt no desire for them at all, dismissing his own body as “full of piss and shit,” not worth touching with a foot. Māgaṇḍiya, who has evidently just offered his own daughter in marriage and been turned down, is baffled: if the Buddha will not want “a gem such as this, a lady desired by many rulers of men,” then what theory, precepts, livelihood, or view of rebirth could possibly justify refusing her? The premise of the question is telling — Māgaṇḍiya assumes the refusal must rest on some rival doctrine, a competing claim about what is truly worth wanting.
Peace without adopting a view
The Buddha’s answer refuses the premise. He has not adopted any teaching “thinking, ‘I assert this’” — he has seen views without taking hold of any of them, and it was in that search itself, not in its conclusion, that he found peace. Māgaṇḍiya pushes further: surely that description of “inner peace” is itself a position being asserted. The Buddha’s reply is the discourse’s hardest turn: purity, he says, is spoken of neither as coming from view, learning, knowledge, or precepts and vows, nor as coming from their absence. Relinquish these without adopting them — not exchanging one attachment for another, but genuinely letting go — and one becomes peaceful, independent, no longer even praying for another life. Māgaṇḍiya calls this “sheer folly”: surely purity has to come from somewhere.
Not two positions, but no position
The Buddha’s response diagnoses Māgaṇḍiya’s confusion rather than arguing the point further: still relying on a view himself, Māgaṇḍiya is trying to hear the teaching from inside the very habit it is meant to dissolve, which is why it sounds like folly to him. The text then names what it calls the “three discriminations” — thinking oneself equal, better, or worse than another — as the actual engine of dispute. A brahmin, in the sutta’s honorific sense, who does not waver among these three has nothing left to assert as true and nothing to defend as false, and so simply cannot be drawn into debate; there is no symmetrical or asymmetrical standing from which an argument could even get started.
The unsullied lotus
The closing verses turn from argument to portrait. Having left behind any fixed base, the sage wanders without a home, doesn’t grow close to anyone in a town, and, rid of sensual pleasure, has nothing left to want that could draw him into a quarrel. The discourse’s most enduring image follows: “as a prickly lotus born in the water is unsullied by water and mud, so the greedless sage, proponent of peace, is unsmeared by sensuality and the world” — growing directly out of the very element that would stain anything else, and remaining clean. A knowledge master, the closing lines add, doesn’t become conceited over view or thought, needs no deeds or learning to prop up an identity, and isn’t indoctrinated into any dogma; only those who have adopted ideas and views, the sutta ends, wander the world causing conflict.
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The text
Verse 1“Even when I saw the sirens Craving, Malignancy, and Lust,
I had no desire for sex.
What is this body full of piss and shit?
I wouldn’t even want to touch it with my foot.”
Verse 2“If you do not want a gem such as this,
a lady desired by many rulers of men,
then what manner of theory, precepts and vows, livelihood,
and rebirth in a new life do you assert?”
Verse 3“After judging among the teachings,”
said the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,
“none have been adopted thinking, ‘I assert this.’
Seeing views without adopting any,
searching, I saw inner peace.”
Verse 4“O sage, you speak of judgments you have formed,”
said Māgaṇḍiya,
“without having adopted any of those views.
As to that matter of ‘inner peace’—
how is that described by the attentive?”
Verse 5“Purity is spoken of not as due to view,”
said the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,
“learning, knowledge, or precepts and vows;
nor without view, learning,
knowledge, or precepts and vows.
Having relinquished these, not adopting them,
peaceful, independent, one would not pray for another life.”
Verse 6“It seems purity is spoken of not as due to view,”
said Māgaṇḍiya,
“learning, knowledge, or precepts and vows;
nor without view, learning,
knowledge, or precepts and vows.
If so, I think this teaching is sheer folly;
some believe that purity comes from view.”
Verse 7“Continuing to question while relying on a view,”
said the Buddha to Māgaṇḍiya,
“you’ve become confused by all you’ve adopted.
From this you’ve not glimpsed the slightest idea,
which is why you consider the teaching folly.
Verse 8If you think that ‘I’m equal,
special, or worse’, you’ll dispute about that.
Not wavering due to the three discriminations,
they have no thought, ‘I’m equal or special’.
Verse 9Why would that brahmin say, ‘It’s true’,
or with whom would they dispute, ‘It’s false’?
There is no equal or unequal in them,
so who would they take on in debate?
Verse 10After leaving their bastion to migrate without abode,
a sage doesn’t get close to anyone in town.
Rid of sensual pleasures, not expecting,
they wouldn’t get in arguments with people.
Verse 11A spiritual giant would not take up for debate
the things in the world from which they live secluded.
As a prickly lotus born in the water
is unsullied by water and mud,
so the greedless sage, proponent of peace,
is unsmeared by sensuality and the world.
Verse 12A knowledge master does not become conceited
due to view or thought, for they are not determined by that.
They’ve no need for deeds or learning,
they’re not indoctrinated in dogmas.
Verse 13There are no ties for one detached from ideas;
there are no delusions for one freed by wisdom.
But those who have adopted ideas and views
wander the world causing conflict.”
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