Udāna · Meghiyavagga · Discourse 4.1

With Meghiya

Meghiyasutta

Setting
Cālikā, on the Cālikā mountain
Present
The Buddha and his attendant, Venerable Meghiya
Form
A narrative frame, a systematic doctrinal teaching in two stages, and a closing heartfelt verse
Length
About 5 minutes to read
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — an accessible story wrapped around a precise, numbered teaching

Why this heartfelt saying

Meghiya asks the Buddha’s permission three times before he is finally allowed to go meditate alone in a mango grove — and once there, far from finding peace, he is “harassed” by exactly the thoughts he went there to escape. The Buddha’s response is not a rebuke but a diagnosis: five conditions that ripen a heart not yet free, and four further practices to take up once those five are in place. It is one of the fullest single statements in the Udāna of what actually supports meditation.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Good intentions and solitude are not enough on their own — the Buddha names five conditions that ripen a heart whose release is not yet mature, explains that the first of these (good friendship) makes the other four likely to follow, and then adds four further qualities to be developed once a mendicant is grounded on all five.

An attendant insists

Meghiya, the Buddha’s attendant at the time, returns from alms in Jantu village and finds a lovely mango grove by the Kimikālā river. Certain it is “good enough for striving,” he asks the Buddha’s permission to go meditate there. Twice the Buddha replies with the same plain request: “We’re alone, Meghiya. Wait until another mendicant comes.” Meghiya, unmoved, repeats his request a third time, pointing out that the Buddha himself “has nothing more to do,” while he, Meghiya, still does. Only then does the Buddha yield, with a line that reads almost like a shrug: “Since you speak of meditation, what can I say? Please, Meghiya, go at your convenience.”

Three kinds of thoughts

Meghiya sits at the root of a tree in the grove for the day’s meditation — and is “beset mostly by three kinds of bad, unskillful thoughts: sensual, malicious, and cruel thoughts.” His own reaction is startled and candid: “Oh lord, how incredible, how amazing! I’ve gone forth out of faith from the lay life to homelessness, but I’m still harassed by these three kinds of bad, unskillful thoughts.” He returns to the Buddha in the late afternoon and reports exactly this.

Five things that ripen an unripe heart’s release

The Buddha’s answer is systematic: “When the heart’s release is not ripe, five things help it ripen.” They are, in order: good friends, companions, and associates; being ethical and restrained in the monastic code; having ready access to talk that helps open the heart — on fewness of wishes, contentment, seclusion, aloofness, energy, ethics, immersion, wisdom, freedom, and the knowledge and vision of freedom; living with energy roused up for giving up what is unskillful and embracing what is skillful; and wisdom that sees the arising and passing away of things. The text then circles back to make the structure explicit: a mendicant with good friends, companions, and associates can be expected to develop each of the other four. Good friendship is not simply one item on the list — it is the ground the other four grow from.

Four further things to develop

Only once a mendicant is grounded on these five does the Buddha add a second, shorter list: “four further things” to be developed. The perception of ugliness, to give up greed. Love, to give up hate. Mindfulness of breathing, to cut off discursive thinking. And the perception of impermanence, to uproot the conceit “I am.” The text then traces a chain through that last one specifically: perceiving impermanence stabilizes the perception of not-self; perceiving not-self uproots the conceit “I am”; and that uprooting is itself described as attaining extinguishment in this very life.

The closing verse

The Buddha’s heartfelt saying names the very problem Meghiya just lived through: “Lesser thoughts and subtle thoughts arise, springing up in the mind. Not understanding these thoughts, one with mind astray runs from one thing to the next.” The second half describes the alternative — not the absence of thoughts, but their being understood: “Having understood these thoughts that arise, springing up in the mind, an awakened one — keen, restrained, and mindful — has given them up without remainder.” Solitude alone did not protect Meghiya from those thoughts; understanding them, backed by the conditions the Buddha has just listed, is what allows them to be let go.

Key terms

kalyānamitta — “good friend”: the first of the five ripening conditions, and, per the text, the one that makes the other four likely to follow.
asubhā — the perception of ugliness or unattractiveness, the first of the four further developments, given as the antidote to greed.
mettā — love or goodwill, developed here specifically to give up hate (byaāpāda).
ānāpānassati — mindfulness of breathing, said in this discourse to “cut off thinking” — discursive, proliferating thought.
aniccasaññā — the perception of impermanence, which the text says stabilizes the perception of not-self and, from there, uproots the conceit “I am” (asmimāna).

The text

The discourse in full: Meghiya’s threefold request, his account of the three unwholesome thoughts that beset him in the mango grove, the Buddha’s two-stage teaching on the conditions that ripen freedom, and the closing verse. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Cālikā, on the Cālikā mountain. Now, at that time Venerable Meghiya was the Buddha’s attendant. Then Venerable Meghiya went up to the Buddha, bowed, stood to one side, and said to him, “Sir, I’d like to enter Jantu village for alms.” “Please, Meghiya, go at your convenience.”

§2Then Meghiya robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Jantu village for alms. After the meal, on his return from almsround in Jantu village, he went to the shore of Kimikālā river. As he was going for a walk along the shore of the river he saw a lovely and delightful mango grove. When he saw this he thought, “Oh, this mango grove is lovely and delightful! This is good enough for striving for a gentleman wanting to strive. If the Buddha allows me, I’ll come back to this mango grove to meditate.”

§3Then Venerable Meghiya went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and told him what had happened, adding,

§4“If the Buddha allows me, I’ll go back to that mango grove to meditate.”

§5When he had spoken, the Buddha said to him, “We’re alone, Meghiya. Wait until another mendicant comes.”

§6For a second time Meghiya said to the Buddha, “Sir, the Buddha has nothing more to do, and nothing that needs improvement. But I have. If you allow me, I’ll go back to that mango grove to meditate.” For a second time the Buddha said, “We’re alone, Meghiya. Wait until another mendicant comes.”

§7For a third time Meghiya said to the Buddha, “Sir, the Buddha has nothing more to do, and nothing that needs improvement. But I have. If you allow me, I’ll go back to that mango grove to meditate.” “Meghiya, since you speak of meditation, what can I say? Please, Meghiya, go at your convenience.”

§8Then Meghiya rose from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right. Then he went to that mango grove, and, having plunged deep into it, sat at the root of a certain tree for the day’s meditation. But while Meghiya was meditating in that mango grove he was beset mostly by three kinds of bad, unskillful thoughts, namely, sensual, malicious, and cruel thoughts.

§9Then he thought, “Oh lord, how incredible, how amazing! I’ve gone forth out of faith from the lay life to homelessness, but I’m still harassed by these three kinds of bad, unskillful thoughts: sensual, malicious, and cruel thoughts.”

§10Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Meghiya came out of retreat and went to the Buddha. He bowed, sat down to one side, and told the Buddha what had happened.

§11“Meghiya, when the heart’s release is not ripe, five things help it ripen. What five?

§12Firstly, a mendicant has good friends, companions, and associates. This is the first thing …

§13Furthermore, a mendicant is ethical, restrained in the monastic code, conducting themselves well and resorting for alms in suitable places. Seeing danger in the slightest fault, they keep the rules they’ve undertaken. This is the second thing …

§14Furthermore, a mendicant gets to take part in talk about self-effacement that helps open the heart and leads solely to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment when they want, without trouble or difficulty. That is, talk about fewness of wishes, contentment, seclusion, aloofness, arousing energy, ethics, immersion, wisdom, freedom, and the knowledge and vision of freedom.’ This is the third thing …

§15Furthermore, a mendicant lives with energy roused up for giving up unskillful qualities and embracing skillful qualities. They are strong, staunchly vigorous, not slacking off when it comes to developing skillful qualities. This is the fourth thing …

§16Furthermore, a mendicant is wise. They have the wisdom of arising and passing away which is noble, penetrative, and leads to the complete ending of suffering. This is the fifth thing that, when the heart’s release is not ripe, helps it ripen. These are the five things that, when the heart’s release is not ripe, help it ripen.

§17A mendicant with good friends, companions, and associates can expect to be ethical …

§18A mendicant with good friends, companions, and associates can expect to take part in talk about self-effacement that helps open the heart …

§19A mendicant with good friends, companions, and associates can expect to be energetic …

§20A mendicant with good friends, companions, and associates can expect to be wise …

§21But then, a mendicant grounded on these five things should develop four further things. They should develop the perception of ugliness to give up greed, love to give up hate, mindfulness of breathing to cut off thinking, and perception of impermanence to uproot the conceit ‘I am’. When you perceive impermanence, the perception of not-self becomes stabilized. Perceiving not-self, you uproot the conceit ‘I am’ and attain extinguishment in this very life.”

§22Then, understanding this matter, on that occasion the Buddha expressed this heartfelt sentiment:

§23“Lesser thoughts and subtle thoughts arise, springing up in the mind. Not understanding these thoughts, one with mind astray runs from one thing to the next.

§24Having understood these thoughts that arise, springing up in the mind, an awakened one—keen, restrained, and mindful— has given them up without remainder.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Where is the Buddha staying at the start of this discourse?
Correct: D. The setting is Cālikā mountain; Meghiya later travels to the nearby Kimikālā river and its mango grove.
Question 2 of 10
What is Meghiya’s role at this point in the story?
Correct: D. Meghiya was serving as the Buddha’s personal attendant (upaṭṭhāka) at the time.
Question 3 of 10
How many times does Meghiya ask to go meditate in the mango grove, and how does the Buddha respond the first two times?
Correct: A. Only on the third request does the Buddha yield, saying, “Since you speak of meditation, what can I say?”
Question 4 of 10
What three kinds of thoughts beset Meghiya while he meditates in the grove?
Correct: B. The text names them directly: kāmavitakka, byāpādavitakka, vihiṁsāvitakka — sensual, malicious, and cruel thoughts.
Question 5 of 10
What is the first of the five things that help an unripe heart’s release ripen?
Correct: A. The text goes on to say a mendicant with good friends can be expected to develop the other four as well.
Question 6 of 10
Besides good friendship, what are the other four of the five ripening conditions?
Correct: A. These five together are said to ripen a heart’s release that is not yet mature.
Question 7 of 10
What are the four further things to be developed once grounded in the five conditions?
Correct: D. Each of the four is paired with what it specifically overcomes.
Question 8 of 10
According to the text, what happens once someone perceives impermanence?
Correct: C. The text traces a specific chain: impermanence → not-self → uprooting “I am” → extinguishment.
Question 9 of 10
In the closing verse, what happens to someone with “mind astray” who does not understand their thoughts?
Correct: B. The verse contrasts this scattered state with the awakened one who has understood and let go of such thoughts.
Question 10 of 10
How does the closing verse describe the awakened one who has understood these thoughts?
Correct: A. This is the verse’s final image, directly answering Meghiya’s own experience of being harassed by unwanted thoughts.
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