Udāna · Soṇavagga · Discourse 5.4

The Boys

Kumārakasutta

Setting
On the road between Sāvatthī and Jeta’s Grove, during the Buddha’s alms round
Figures
Several unnamed boys and the Buddha
Occasion
The Buddha sees boys tormenting fish and stops to ask them a question
Length
~1 minute to read
Chapter
Soṇavagga (Ud 5.1–5.10), the fifth of the Udāna’s eight chapters — named for Ud 5.6, “With Soṇa”
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — the simplest scene in the chapter, built around a single question

Why this heartfelt saying

No sermon, no threat, no punishment — just one question, aimed at boys caught in the middle of hurting something smaller than themselves: do you fear pain? They say yes, and the Buddha lets their own honest answer do all the ethical work the rest of the verse needs.

Reading guide

An everyday cruelty, interrupted

The setup is almost anticlimactic: “between Sāvatthī and the Jeta Grove, several boys were tormenting some fish.” The Buddha, on his ordinary morning alms round, “saw the boys tormenting the fish” and went to them. Nothing marks this as a special occasion — it’s the kind of small, casual harm that could happen anywhere, any day, and easily go unnoticed by anyone in a hurry to get somewhere.

A question, not a lecture

What the Buddha actually says to the boys is worth noticing for its restraint: “Boys, do you fear pain? Do you dislike pain?” He doesn’t tell them to stop, doesn’t explain why what they’re doing is wrong, doesn’t invoke authority. He asks about their own experience. Their answer is immediate and unembarrassed: “Yes, sir, we dislike pain.” The entire ethical argument that follows depends on nothing more exotic than this shared, obvious fact — the same move at work in Ud 5.1’s verse on self-love, where an honest look at one’s own experience becomes the ground for how to treat someone else.

No escape by evasion

The heartfelt saying comes in two short stanzas. The first draws the direct consequence from the boys’ own admission: “If you fear pain, if you dislike pain, don’t do bad deeds either openly or in secret.” The phrase “openly or in secret” matters — it rules out the common hope that what nobody sees doesn’t count. The second stanza closes any remaining loophole: “If you should do a bad deed, now or in the future, you won’t be freed from suffering, though you fly away and flee.” The image of flying away and fleeing is almost comic applied to fish-tormenting boys, but the point is serious and general — there is no distance, physical or temporal, that outruns the consequence of a harmful act.

Placed among this chapter’s short scenes

Like Ud 5.7 and Ud 5.9 elsewhere in this same chapter, this udāna is built from almost nothing — a glance, a brief exchange, a verse — and offers no follow-up about whether the boys actually stopped. The teaching sits complete in the moment itself; the collection trusts the reader to carry it further than the text does.

Key terms

kumāraka — “boys” or “young ones” — the sutta’s own Pali title names its subjects plainly, with no individual identified by name.
“do you fear pain? Do you dislike pain?” — the Buddha’s entire intervention — a question about the boys’ own experience, not an instruction or a rebuke.
“openly or in secret” — paṭicchanna, “hidden” — the verse’s insistence that ethical accountability does not depend on being observed.
“though you fly away and flee” — the verse’s vivid image for the futility of trying to outrun the result of a bad deed by any means, including distance or delay.
“now or in the future” — the verse’s temporal counterpart to “openly or in secret” — closing off both the hope of concealment and the hope of postponement.

The text

The discourse in full: the Buddha finds boys tormenting fish, asks a single question, and speaks two short verses. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. Now at that time, between Sāvatthī and the Jeta Grove, several boys were tormenting some fish.

§2Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Sāvatthī for alms. He saw the boys tormenting the fish. He went to them and said, “Boys, do you fear pain? Do you dislike pain?” “Yes, sir,” they replied. “We dislike pain.”

§3Then, understanding this matter, on that occasion the Buddha expressed this heartfelt sentiment:

§4“If you fear pain,
if you dislike pain,
don’t do bad deeds
either openly or in secret.

§5If you should do a bad deed,
now or in the future,
you won’t be freed from suffering,
though you fly away and flee.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What are the boys doing when the Buddha finds them?
Correct: B. “Between Sāvatthī and the Jeta Grove, several boys were tormenting some fish.”
Question 2 of 10
What is the Buddha doing when he encounters them?
Correct: B. He “robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Sāvatthī for alms.”
Question 3 of 10
What does the Buddha ask the boys?
Correct: B. He asks about their own experience rather than lecturing or scolding them.
Question 4 of 10
How do the boys answer?
Correct: C. Their honest, immediate answer becomes the entire foundation for the verse that follows.
Question 5 of 10
According to the reading guide, what kind of intervention is the Buddha’s question, compared to a lecture?
Correct: B. He asks rather than tells — the same move used in Ud 5.1’s verse on self-love.
Question 6 of 10
What does the first verse say about doing bad deeds “openly or in secret”?
Correct: B. “Don’t do bad deeds either openly or in secret” rules out the hope that being unseen changes anything.
Question 7 of 10
What does the second verse say about trying to escape the result of a bad deed?
Correct: B. “You won’t be freed from suffering, though you fly away and flee” — no distance or delay outruns it.
Question 8 of 10
What two forms of “escape” does the verse rule out together?
Correct: B. The verses close off both hiding a deed and postponing its consequences.
Question 9 of 10
What does the reading guide note about the outcome — do we learn whether the boys stopped?
Correct: C. Like several other short scenes in this chapter, the teaching sits complete in the moment, without a stated outcome.
Question 10 of 10
Which chapter of the Dhammapada, published on this site, opens with the collection’s most famous statement of empathy toward all beings who fear violence and death?
Correct: B. The Daṇḍavagga opens on exactly this theme — comparing oneself to others who also fear the rod and death.
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