Udāna · Discourse 8.8

With Visākhā

Visākhāsutta

Setting
Near Sāvatthī, in the stilt longhouse of Migāra’s Mother in the Eastern Monastery
Speakers
The Buddha and Visākhā, known as Migāra’s Mother, a prominent lay disciple
Form
A dialogue built on a descending numerical count, closing with a heartfelt verse (udāna)
Length
~3–4 minutes to read
Occasion
Visākhā’s beloved granddaughter has just died
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — emotionally direct, and stated more starkly than a first reading might expect

Why this discourse

A grandmother arrives soaked with grief, and the Buddha does not console her with comforting words. He asks her a question that leads, step by careful step, from an impulsive wish for many descendants to an unflinching count of how many people die every day in her own city — and from there to a conclusion the closing verse states without softening: sorrow arises because of those we love, and where there is no loved one, there is no sorrow.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Visākhā comes to the Buddha grieving her granddaughter’s death, and is led through a question about wanting as many descendants as there are people in Sāvatthī, then through the plain fact that Sāvatthī never passes a day without someone dying, to the Buddha’s conclusion that the number of loved ones a person has is exactly the number of sufferings they carry — and that the person with no loved ones has no such suffering at all.

Wet clothes and hair

The discourse opens with a physical detail that carries real weight: Visākhā arrives “in the middle of the day with wet clothes and hair,” a detail repeated three times in the opening lines. Coming in the middle of the day, and in this state, signals that she has come straight from mourning without pausing to compose herself — the Buddha’s first question is simply to ask where she has come from in this condition, and her answer is direct: her dear granddaughter has just died.

A question that seems, at first, unrelated

Rather than offering immediate comfort, the Buddha asks whether Visākhā would like to have as many children and grandchildren as there are people in the whole of Sāvatthī. She answers, without hesitation, that she would. It is only after this answer is secured that the Buddha turns the question around.

The arithmetic of daily loss

“How many people pass away each day in Sāvatthī?” Visākhā answers with a descending count of her own: ten, or nine, or eight, down through to one — “Sāvatthī is never without someone passing away.” The Buddha then asks the question that makes the arithmetic personal: if she had as many children and grandchildren as there are people in Sāvatthī, would there ever be a day when her clothes and hair were not wet with mourning? Visākhā answers her own question before it’s finished: “No, sir. Enough, sir, with so many children and grandchildren.”

“A hundred loved ones, a hundred sufferings”

The Buddha then states the principle directly, in a descending count that mirrors Visākhā’s own: a hundred loved ones bring a hundred sufferings, ninety bring ninety, and so on down through every number to one loved one bringing one suffering — “those who have no loved ones have no suffering. They are free of sorrow, stains, and anguish, I say.” The claim is stated as a direct proportion, not a vague generality, and the descending numerical form itself does real work: it makes the relationship between attachment and suffering impossible to read past quickly.

The closing verse, read plainly

The heartfelt sentiment that follows states the same point without any of the arithmetic’s scaffolding: “all the sorrows and lamentations, and the countless forms of suffering in the world, occur because of those that we love; without loved ones they do not occur” — and then, more starkly still, advises “aspiring to the sorrowless and stainless, have no loved ones in the world at all.” This is a harder line than a first reading might expect, and the reading guide will not soften it: the text does not qualify it with an exception for wise or well-regulated love. It states a direct causal claim and follows it to its conclusion, leaving the reader to weigh what to do with a teaching this blunt about something this close to the center of ordinary life.

Key terms

piya — “loved one,” or what is dear: the exact variable the discourse counts, from a hundred down to none.
soka-parideva — “sorrow and lamentation”: named together at the opening of the closing verse as arising specifically because of loved ones.
the descending count — a recurring device in the early texts, used here twice: once for daily deaths in Sāvatthī, once for the direct proportion between loved ones and suffering.
Migāramātā — “Migāra’s Mother,” Visākhā’s honorific title, referring to her father-in-law Migāra, and the name of the monastery hall (Migāramātupāsāda) where this discourse takes place.
asokā virajā anupāyāsā — “free of sorrow, stains, and anguish”: the state the Buddha names for one who has no loved one at all.

The text

The discourse in full, given complete and without abbreviation. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in the stilt longhouse of Migāra’s mother in the Eastern Monastery. Now at that time the dear and beloved granddaughter of Visākhā Migāra’s Mother had just passed away. Then, in the middle of the day, Visākhā with wet clothes and hair went to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down. The Buddha said to her,

§2“So, Visākhā, where are you coming from in the middle of the day with wet clothes and hair?” “Sir, my beloved granddaughter has just passed away. That’s why I came here in the middle of the day with wet clothes and hair.” “Visākhā, would you like as many children and grandchildren as there are people in the whole of Sāvatthī?” “I would, sir.”

§3“But Visākhā, how many people pass away each day in Sāvatthī?” “Every day, sir, there are ten people passing away in Sāvatthī. Or else there are nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, or at least one person who passes away every day in Sāvatthī. Sāvatthī is never without someone passing away.”

§4“What do you think, Visākhā? Would there ever be a time when your clothes and hair were not wet?” “No, sir. Enough, sir, with so many children and grandchildren.”

§5“Those who have a hundred loved ones, Visākhā, have a hundred sufferings. Those who have ninety loved ones, or eighty, seventy, sixty, fifty, forty, thirty, twenty, ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, or one loved one have one suffering. Those who have no loved ones have no suffering. They are free of sorrow, stains, and anguish I say.”

§6Then, understanding this matter, on that occasion the Buddha expressed this heartfelt sentiment:

§7–8“All the sorrows and lamentations
and the countless forms of suffering in the world
occur because of those that we love;
without loved ones they do not occur.
That’s why those who have no loved ones at all in the world
are happy and free of grief.
So aspiring to the sorrowless and stainless,
have no loved ones in the world at all.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Why has Visākhā come to the Buddha in the middle of the day with wet clothes and hair?
Correct: C. This detail, repeated three times in the opening lines, signals she has come straight from mourning.
Question 2 of 10
What does the Buddha first ask Visākhā, before addressing her grief directly?
Correct: B. She answers without hesitation that she would.
Question 3 of 10
What does Visākhā say about how many people die each day in Sāvatthī?
Correct: D. This sets up the Buddha's next question about her own wish for many descendants.
Question 4 of 10
How does Visākhā respond when asked whether her clothes and hair would ever be dry, if she had as many descendants as people in Sāvatthī?
Correct: A. She reaches the conclusion herself, before the Buddha states the principle outright.
Question 5 of 10
What proportion does the Buddha state between loved ones and suffering?
Correct: C. The descending count mirrors the earlier count of daily deaths in Sāvatthī.
Question 6 of 10
What does the Buddha say about those who have no loved ones?
Correct: B. This is stated as the logical endpoint of the descending proportion.
Question 7 of 10
What does the closing verse say causes "all the sorrows and lamentations... in the world"?
Correct: D. This restates the discourse's arithmetic without the numerical scaffolding.
Question 8 of 10
What does the closing verse advise for "those aspiring to the sorrowless and stainless"?
Correct: A. The reading guide notes this is a harder line than a first reading might expect, stated without a softening exception.
Question 9 of 10
What does "Migāra's Mother" refer to, as Visākhā's title?
Correct: C. The discourse takes place in the stilt longhouse called Migāramātupāsāda.
Question 10 of 10
According to the reading guide, how should this discourse's blunt conclusion be read?
Correct: B. The reading guide is explicit about not softening the discourse's stated conclusion.
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