Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 3.21

With Saviṭṭha

Samiddhasutta — Puggalavagga — the third chapter of the Threes

Setting
Sāvatthī, in Jeta’s Grove; a conversation among three senior monks, then taken to the Buddha
Speakers
Venerable Sāriputta, Venerable Saviṭṭha, Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita, and the Buddha
Form
A question asked three times with three different answers, then referred upward and declined
Length
~4 minutes to read
Northern parallel
Comparable material on the three kinds of noble person appears in the Chinese Āgamas; this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — the three technical terms need holding, and the ending is the point

Why this discourse

Three senior monks are asked which of three kinds of accomplished person is finest. Each gives a different answer, and each gives a good reason for it. They agree that they have each spoken from the heart, take the question to the Buddha, and he declines to settle it — four times over, in nearly identical words. It is one of the few places in the canon where a question is put to the highest available authority and comes back unresolved, and the reason he gives is worth more than an answer would have been.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Three kinds of accomplished person cannot be ranked against each other, because the ranking depends on where each of them has actually got to.

The three individuals

Kāyasakkhī, the direct witness — one whose realization has come through the meditative attainments, experienced with the body. Diṭṭhippatta, the one attained to view — one who has arrived by seeing, through understanding. Saddhāvimutta, the one freed by faith — one whose confidence carried them.

These are technical categories in the canon’s typology of noble persons, and all three are genuinely accomplished; nobody in this discourse is discussing a beginner. What distinguishes them is which faculty predominated on the way in.

Three answers, each defensible

Saviṭṭha says the one freed by faith is finest, because that person’s faculty of faith is extraordinary. Mahākoṭṭhita says the direct witness, because their faculty of immersion is extraordinary. Sāriputta says the one attained to view, because their faculty of wisdom is extraordinary.

Each answer has the same form: the person is finest because the faculty that carried them is outstanding. So all three are arguing correctly from a shared premise, and reaching incompatible conclusions. The disagreement is not a failure of reasoning by any of them.

It is worth noticing who says what. Sāriputta — named foremost in great wisdom — picks the one who came by wisdom. Mahākoṭṭhita, foremost in the analytical knowledges, picks immersion. The canon does not comment, but each man has answered from where he stands, and the discourse is quietly aware of it.

What Sāriputta does next

“Each of us has spoken from the heart. Come, reverends, let’s go to the Buddha and tell him about this. As he answers, so we’ll remember it.”

That sentence is a small model of how to handle a disagreement among people who all have standing. Nobody concedes; nobody is out-argued; the positions are recorded as sincerely held and the matter is referred. And Sāriputta — the most senior of the three, and the one whose answer the tradition would most likely have deferred to — is the one who proposes referring it.

And what the Buddha does

He says four times that it is not easy to categorically declare which of the three is finest, and gives the reason three times over: in some cases the one freed by faith is practicing for perfection while the other two are once-returners or non-returners — and then the same with the direct witness in that position, and then with the one attained to view.

So the reason is not that the question is improper or that ranking is unspiritual. It is that the categories cut across the stages. Knowing which faculty carried someone in tells you nothing about how far they have come, and any of the three types can be found at any of the levels. Comparing a type against a type is comparing the wrong thing.

That is an unusually precise refusal. The Buddha does not say the monks are wrong to rank, or that all paths are equal, or that the question does not matter. He says the question as put cannot be answered because it holds the wrong variable fixed. Anyone who has watched an argument about which kind of practice is best has watched this discourse.

Using it

For a teacher this is one of the most useful discourses in the Threes, because the argument it defuses is perennial: whether devotion, concentration, or study is the real path. All three answers in this discourse are held by named senior disciples, argued well, and left standing.

The practical form of the Buddha’s point is simple enough to hand to a class. Ask not which kind of practitioner someone is, but how far they have got — and notice that the first question is easy to answer about a stranger and the second is not.

Key terms

kāyasakkhī — “direct witness” — one whose realization came through the meditative attainments, experienced with the body. Mahākoṭṭhita’s choice, for the faculty of immersion.
diṭṭhippatta — “attained to view” — one who arrived by understanding. Sāriputta’s choice, for the faculty of wisdom.
saddhāvimutta — “freed by faith” — one whose confidence carried them. Saviṭṭha’s choice, for the faculty of faith.
ekaṁsena byākātuṁ — “to declare categorically” — what the Buddha says is not easy here. The canon elsewhere distinguishes questions answerable categorically from those needing analysis or a counter-question.
adhimatta — “extraordinary, predominant” — said of the faculty in each monk’s answer, and the shared premise from which all three argue correctly to different conclusions.

The text

The discourse in full, including all three monks’ answers and the Buddha’s fourfold refusal. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The question, put to Saviṭṭha

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. Then Venerable Saviṭṭha and Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita went up to Venerable Sāriputta, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they sat down to one side and Venerable Sāriputta said to Venerable Saviṭṭha,

§2–3“Reverend Saviṭṭha, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, who do you believe to be the finest?” “Reverend Sāriputta, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, I believe the individual freed by faith to be finest. Why is that? Because this individual’s faculty of faith is extraordinary.”

And to Mahākoṭṭhita, and to Sāriputta

§4–5Then Sāriputta said to Mahākoṭṭhita, “Reverend Koṭṭhika, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, who do you believe to be the finest?” “Reverend Sāriputta, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, I believe the direct witness to be finest. Why is that? Because this individuals’s faculty of immersion is extraordinary.”

§6–7Then Mahākoṭṭhita said to Sāriputta, “Reverend Sāriputta, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, who do you believe to be the finest?” “Reverend Koṭṭhika, these three individuals are found in the world. What three? The direct witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three individuals found in the world. Of these three individuals, I believe the individual attained to view to be finest. Why is that? Because this individual’s faculty of wisdom is extraordinary.”

Taken to the Buddha

§8Then Sāriputta said to Saviṭṭha and Mahākoṭṭhita, “Each of us has spoken from the heart. Come, reverends, let’s go to the Buddha, and tell him about this. As he answers, so we’ll remember it.” “Yes, reverend,” they replied. Then Sāriputta, Saviṭṭha, and Mahākoṭṭhita went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. Then Sāriputta told the Buddha of all they had discussed.

§9–12“In this matter, Sāriputta, it’s not easy to categorically declare that one of these three individuals is finest. In some cases, an individual freed by faith is practicing for perfection, while the direct witness and the one attained to view are once-returners or non-returners. In this matter, it’s not easy to categorically declare that one of these three individuals is finest. In some cases, a direct witness is practicing for perfection, while the one freed by faith and the one attained to view are once-returners or non-returners. In this matter, it’s not easy to categorically declare that one of these three individuals is finest. In some cases, one attained to view is practicing for perfection, while the one freed by faith and the direct witness are once-returners or non-returners. In this matter, it’s not easy to categorically declare that one of these three individuals is finest.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Which three individuals are being compared?
Correct: A. All three genuinely accomplished; what distinguishes them is which faculty predominated on the way in.
Question 2 of 10
What form does each of the three answers take?
Correct: B. All three argue correctly from a shared premise to incompatible conclusions.
Question 3 of 10
What does the guide notice about who picks what?
Correct: B. The canon does not comment, but the discourse is quietly aware of it.
Question 4 of 10
What does Sāriputta propose?
Correct: B. The most senior of the three, and the one whose answer would most likely have been deferred to, is the one who proposes referring it.
Question 5 of 10
What does the Buddha say?
Correct: B. One of the few places where a question put to the highest authority comes back unresolved.
Question 6 of 10
What reason does he give?
Correct: B. Knowing which faculty carried someone in tells you nothing about how far they have come.
Question 7 of 10
How does the guide characterize the refusal?
Correct: B. He does not say the monks are wrong to rank, or that all paths are equal, or that the question does not matter.
Question 8 of 10
Which perennial argument does the guide say this defuses?
Correct: A. All three answers are held by named senior disciples, argued well, and left standing.
Question 9 of 10
What practical form does the guide give the Buddha’s point?
Correct: A. Simple enough to hand to a class.
Question 10 of 10
What does ekaṁsena byākātuṁ mean?
Correct: A. The kind of answer being declined is specific.
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