Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 5.201

With Kimbila

Kimilasutta — Kimilavagga — the twenty-first chapter of the Fives

Setting
Kimbilā, in the Freshwater Mangrove Wood
Speakers
Venerable Kimbila, questioning the Buddha
Form
two paired five-item lists, both naming the same five objects of respect
Length
~1.5 minutes to read
Northern parallel
not identified in this collection
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — short, opening a new chapter with a new setting

Why this discourse

Venerable Kimbila puts the same question this collection has already addressed institutionally at AN 5.154–156, but frames it differently: not what activities preserve the teaching, but what basic disposition — respect, toward five specific things — determines whether it survives at all.

Reading guide

A new chapter, a new setting

The Kimilavagga opens with a full narrative reintroduction at Kimbilā, in the Freshwater Mangrove Wood — a location not previously used in this nipāta, and the only discourse in this chapter to open with a named questioner and dialogue frame.

A question already asked, reframed

Kimbila's question — why doesn't the true teaching last long after the Buddha's final quenching (parinibbāna)? — revisits the same underlying concern as AN 5.154–156's ‘decline of the true teaching’ trio, but shifts the diagnostic lens from specific transmission activities (listening, memorizing, reciting) to something more basic: respect itself.

Five objects of respect

The answer names five things whose absence, or presence, of gārava (respect) and appatissā/sappatissā (deference) among monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen determines the teaching's fate: the Teacher, the teaching itself, the Saṅgha, the training, and — notably, closing the list — one another.

Respect for each other, not only for institutions

The fifth item is worth pausing on: alongside respect for the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Saṅgha, and the training — four institutional or doctrinal objects — the list closes with something interpersonal: respect among the four assemblies themselves, for each other directly.

A companion typology to two later discourses

Cross-ref AN 5.205 and AN 5.206, later in this chapter: both name obstacles to spiritual effort built around doubt or attachment regarding these same objects — Teacher, teaching, Saṅgha, training — suggesting this five-part frame runs through more of this chapter than just its opening discourse.

Key terms

saddhammo na ciraṭṭhitiko — “the true teaching does not last long” — Kimbila's opening concern, echoing AN 5.154–156's earlier treatment.
gārava, appatissā — “respect” and “lacking deference” — the central disposition this discourse names as decisive.
satthari, dhamme, saṅghe, sikkhāya, aññamaññaṁ — “toward the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, and each other” — the five objects of respect this discourse names.
tathāgate parinibbute — “after the Realized One's final quenching” — the specific historical moment this discourse's question concerns.
bhikkhū bhikkhuniyo upāsakā upāsikāyo — “monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen” — the four assemblies whose collective respect or disrespect is at stake.

The text

The discourse in full: why the true teaching fades, and why it endures. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Why the true teaching doesn't last

§1“What is the cause, sir, what is the reason why the true teaching does not last long after the final quenching of the Realized One?” “Kimbila, it’s when the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen lack respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, and each other after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause, this is the reason why the true teaching does not last long after the final quenching of the Realized One.”

Why it does last

§2“What is the cause, sir, what is the reason why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One?” “Kimbila, it’s when the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen maintain respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Saṅgha, the training, and each other after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause, this is the reason why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What question does Venerable Kimbila ask the Buddha?
Correct: A. Revisiting a concern already addressed at AN 5.154-156.
Question 2 of 10
What five objects of respect does the Buddha name as decisive?
Correct: A. Whether these five are respected determines the teaching's fate.
Question 3 of 10
How does this discourse's diagnostic lens differ from AN 5.154-156's?
Correct: A. A different angle on the same underlying institutional concern.
Question 4 of 10
What is notable about the fifth object of respect named?
Correct: A. Alongside four institutional or doctrinal objects.
Question 5 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. A location not previously used in this nipāta.
Question 6 of 10
What four groups does this discourse name as needing to maintain respect?
Correct: A. The four traditional Buddhist assemblies.
Question 7 of 10
What does 'tathāgate parinibbute' mean?
Correct: A. The specific historical moment this discourse's question concerns.
Question 8 of 10
What later discourses in this chapter share this same five-object frame?
Correct: A. Both naming obstacles built around doubt or attachment regarding these same objects.
Question 9 of 10
What does the positive half of this discourse describe?
Correct: A. The clean mirror of the negative statement.
Question 10 of 10
What chapter does this discourse open?
Correct: A. This session's twenty-first chapter.
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