Majjhima Nikāya · Discourse 43

The Greater Series of Questions and Answers

Mahāvedallasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī, in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery
Speakers
Ven. Sāriputta (answering) and Ven. Mahākoṭṭhita (asking)
Form
Doctrinal dialogue — a senior monk questions the Buddha’s foremost disciple in wisdom on a series of deep topics: wisdom, consciousness, feeling, perception, jhāna, the five faculties, and the attainment of cessation.
Length
~20 minutes to read
Northern parallel
MĀ 211 (Madhyama-āgama 211)
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — demanding. This is a philosophical dialogue between two advanced monks. Prior familiarity with the aggregates, the five faculties, and jhāna is helpful. Best read slowly, one question-and-answer at a time.

Why this discourse, forty-third

After two discourses addressed to laypeople on the ground floor of ethics (MN 41–42), the collection pivots sharply upward. MN 43 is a dialogue between two of the Buddha’s most accomplished disciples — Sāriputta, foremost in wisdom, and Mahākoṭṭhita, foremost in analytical knowledge — on topics that belong to the advanced study of mind and reality.

The discourse unfolds as a series of questions posed by Mahākoṭṭhita and answered by Sāriputta. There is no narrative arc; each question opens a new topic, and Sāriputta’s answer settles it before the next question arrives. The effect is like a handbook of doctrinal definitions — compressed, precise, and authoritative.

The title Mahāvedalla means “the greater set of questions that bring joy.” The word vedalla (from veda, “joy” or “knowledge”) marks a specific genre in the canon: a discourse that proceeds by question and answer and generates insight through the precision of its distinctions. MN 43 and its shorter twin MN 44 are the canonical examples of this genre.

For a reader working through the Majjhima Nikāya in sequence, MN 43 is the first encounter with several key distinctions: the difference between wisdom and consciousness, the inseparability of feeling, perception, and consciousness, and the nature of the attainment of cessation. These are ideas that the rest of the collection will assume.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Through a series of precise questions and answers, Sāriputta defines the key mental factors — wisdom, consciousness, feeling, and perception — shows how they are distinct yet inseparable, and maps the territory from right view through jhāna to the attainment of cessation.

The structure of the discourse

TopicWhat Sāriputta teaches
1. WisdomA person “without wisdom” (duppañña) is one who does not understand as they really are the four noble truths. A person “with wisdom” (paññavant) is one who does.
2. ConsciousnessA person “with consciousness” (viññāṇavant) is defined identically — leading Mahākoṭṭhita to ask: what then is the difference between wisdom and consciousness?
3. Wisdom vs. consciousnessWisdom is to be developed (bhāvetabbā); consciousness is to be fully understood (pariññeyyaṃ). They differ in purpose and training, not in object.
4. Feeling, perception, consciousnessThese three are “mixed together, not separate” (saṃsaṭṭhā ... no viseñeti). You cannot separate them to define one without the others. What one feels, one perceives; what one perceives, one cognizes.
5. What purified mind-consciousness can knowMind-consciousness freed from the five senses can know the base of infinite space, infinite consciousness, and nothingness.
6. Right viewRight view arises dependent on two factors: the voice of another (parato ghosa) and wise attention (yoniso manasikāra).
7. BecomingBecoming (bhava) exists because of ignorance; it ceases with the cessation of ignorance. Right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration — the whole eightfold path — is the practice leading to its cessation.
8. First jhānaThe first jhāna has five factors: applied thought, sustained thought, rapture, happiness, and one-pointedness of mind.
9. The five facultiesThe five faculties — faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, wisdom — each have their own domain, yet they converge on a single pasture. Their “resort” is defined: faith through resolution, energy through exertion, mindfulness through establishment, concentration through non-distraction, wisdom through seeing.
10. Vital formation and the facultiesWhen a monk emerges from the attainment of cessation (saññāvedayitanirodha), three kinds of contact touch him: emptiness contact, signless contact, and undirected contact.

The pivotal distinction: wisdom vs. consciousness

The most important exchange in this discourse may be the shortest. Mahākoṭṭhita notices that Sāriputta defines “a person with wisdom” and “a person with consciousness” in the same terms — both understand the four noble truths. So he asks: “What is the difference between wisdom and consciousness?”

Sāriputta’s answer is a masterpiece of precision: “Wisdom is to be developed; consciousness is to be fully understood.” The two faculties see the same things, but they stand in different relationships to the practitioner. Consciousness is what you have — it is the raw cognitive capacity that must be investigated and comprehended. Wisdom is what you cultivate — it is the trained discernment that grows through practice. A meditator does not try to get more consciousness; a meditator tries to develop wisdom. But wisdom uses consciousness as its instrument.

This distinction has practical implications. In meditation, you do not try to suppress consciousness or escape it. You try to understand it fully (pariññā). And you cultivate wisdom — the capacity to see things as they really are — through that very understanding.

The inseparability of feeling, perception, and consciousness

Sāriputta makes a striking claim: feeling (vedanā), perception (saññā), and consciousness (viññāṇa) are “mixed together, not separate.” You cannot pull them apart to define one independently of the others. Whatever you feel, you perceive; whatever you perceive, you cognize.

This is not a casual observation but a foundational claim about the nature of mind. Western philosophy often treats cognition, affect, and categorization as separable functions that can be studied independently. The Buddhist analysis insists they arise together as a package. There is no “raw consciousness” without feeling-tone; there is no perception without consciousness; there is no feeling without the recognition that perception provides. They are analytically distinguishable but experientially inseparable.

The two roots of right view

Asked what gives rise to right view, Sāriputta names two factors: “the voice of another” (parato ghosa) and “wise attention” (yoniso manasikāra). This is a concise summary of how Buddhist understanding develops. It requires both hearing the teaching from a reliable source (a teacher, the texts, the tradition) and bringing one’s own careful, methodical attention to the teaching. Neither alone is sufficient: hearing without reflection produces rote belief; reflection without hearing produces speculation. Right view arises at the intersection of external guidance and internal investigation.

The attainment of cessation

The discourse concludes with the most advanced topic: saññāvedayitanirodha, the cessation of perception and feeling. This is the deepest meditative attainment in the canon — a state where perception and feeling are temporarily suspended. Sāriputta teaches that when a monk emerges from this attainment, three kinds of contact touch the mind: emptiness contact (suññato phasso), signless contact (animitto phasso), and undirected contact (appaṇihito phasso). These correspond to the three liberations (vimokkha) — the three “doors” through which one enters nibbāna.

The mind that has emerged from cessation inclines toward seclusion, leans toward seclusion, slopes toward seclusion. This is Sāriputta’s point: the attainment of cessation is not an end in itself but a training ground for the mind’s complete letting go.

Key terms

paññā — wisdom; discernment. The trained capacity to see things as they really are. Distinguished from consciousness by its purpose: wisdom is “to be developed” through practice.
viññāṇa — consciousness; cognition. The raw awareness that accompanies every moment of experience. Distinguished from wisdom by its purpose: consciousness is “to be fully understood.”
vedanā — feeling; feeling-tone. Not emotion but the quality of pleasantness, unpleasantness, or neutrality that accompanies every experience. Inseparable from perception and consciousness.
saññā — perception; recognition. The mental function that identifies and categorizes experience (“this is blue,” “this is a sound”). Inseparable from feeling and consciousness.
yoniso manasikāra — wise attention; careful attention; methodical attention. One of the two factors that give rise to right view. The internal, personal factor — bringing careful, systematic reflection to what one has heard.
parato ghosa — the voice of another; hearing from another. The external factor that gives rise to right view — receiving the teaching from a reliable source. Paired with wise attention.
saññāvedayitanirodha — the cessation of perception and feeling. The deepest meditative attainment, accessible only to non-returners and arahants. Perception and feeling are temporarily suspended; the monk emerges with a mind inclined toward seclusion.
vedalla — a genre of discourse that proceeds by question and answer. From veda (joy, knowledge) — the exchange of questions is understood to generate insight and delight. MN 43 and MN 44 are the canonical vedalla pair.

The text

MN 43 is a dense doctrinal dialogue. The questions are given in full; some of Sāriputta’s longer formulaic answers are condensed. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Setting

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī, in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.

§2Then in the evening, Ven. Mahākoṭṭhita came out of seclusion, went to Ven. Sāriputta, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite talk were over, he sat down to one side and said:

Wisdom

§3“Friend Sāriputta, a person ‘without wisdom, without wisdom’ — this is said. In what way is a person without wisdom?”

“Friend, when a person does not understand as they really are: ‘This is suffering; this is the origin of suffering; this is the cessation of suffering; this is the practice leading to the cessation of suffering’ — in this way a person is without wisdom.”

“But ‘with wisdom, with wisdom’ is also said. In what way is a person with wisdom?”

“When a person understands as they really are: ‘This is suffering; this is the origin of suffering; this is the cessation of suffering; this is the practice leading to the cessation of suffering’ — in this way a person is with wisdom.”

Consciousness

§4“Friend, ‘with consciousness, with consciousness’ is said. In what way is a person with consciousness?”

“When a person cognizes as they really are: ‘This is suffering; this is the origin of suffering; this is the cessation of suffering; this is the practice leading to the cessation of suffering’ — in this way a person is with consciousness.”

The difference between wisdom and consciousness

§5“Friend, ‘wisdom’ and ‘consciousness’ — are these things joined or separated? Is it possible to separate them so as to describe the difference between them?”

“Friend, ‘wisdom’ and ‘consciousness’ — these things are joined, not separated. It is not possible to separate them so as to describe the difference between them. For what one wisely understands, that one cognizes; and what one cognizes, that one wisely understands. That is why these things are joined, not separated. But there is a difference: wisdom is to be developed; consciousness is to be fully understood.”

Feeling, perception, and consciousness

§6“Friend, ‘feeling, perception, consciousness’ — are these things joined or separated? Is it possible to separate them so as to describe the difference between them?”

“Friend, feeling, perception, and consciousness — these things are joined, not separated. It is not possible to separate them so as to describe the difference between them. For what one feels, that one perceives; and what one perceives, that one cognizes. That is why these things are joined, not separated.”

What purified mind-consciousness can know

§7“Friend, what can be known by purified mind-consciousness, freed from the five sense faculties?”

“Friend, by purified mind-consciousness, freed from the five sense faculties, the base of infinite space can be known: ‘Space is infinite.’ The base of infinite consciousness can be known: ‘Consciousness is infinite.’ The base of nothingness can be known: ‘There is nothing.’”

How does one understand a thing that can be known?

§8“Friend, with what does one understand a thing that can be known?”

“Friend, one understands a thing that can be known with the eye of wisdom.”

“And what is the purpose of wisdom?”

“The purpose of wisdom is direct knowledge, its purpose is full understanding, its purpose is abandoning.”

Right view

§9“Friend, how many conditions are there for the arising of right view?”

“Friend, there are two conditions for the arising of right view: the voice of another and wise attention. These are the two conditions for the arising of right view.”

§10“And how many factors does right view that is assisted by have — for the fruit of liberation of mind and liberation by wisdom?”

“Friend, right view assisted by five factors has the fruit of liberation of mind and liberation by wisdom. Here, right view is assisted by virtue, by learning, by discussion, by serenity, and by insight.”

Becoming

§11“Friend, how many kinds of becoming are there?”

“There are these three kinds of becoming: sense-realm becoming, form-realm becoming, and formless-realm becoming.”

“And how does future becoming come about?”

“Friend, for beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving, there is delight now here, now there. That is how future becoming comes about.”

“And how does future becoming not come about?”

“With the fading away and cessation of ignorance, with the non-arising of delight now here, now there — that is how future becoming does not come about.”

The first jhāna

§12“Friend, what is the first jhāna?”

“Here, friend, a monk, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome qualities, enters and dwells in the first jhāna, which is accompanied by applied thought and sustained thought, with rapture and happiness born of seclusion.”

“And how many factors does the first jhāna have?”

“The first jhāna has five factors. Here, in a monk who has attained the first jhāna, there is applied thought, sustained thought, rapture, happiness, and one-pointedness of mind. That is how the first jhāna has five factors.”

“And how many factors are abandoned in the first jhāna, and how many are possessed?”

“In the first jhāna, five factors are abandoned and five are possessed. The five hindrances are abandoned: sensual desire, ill will, dullness and drowsiness, restlessness and remorse, and doubt. And five factors are possessed: applied thought, sustained thought, rapture, happiness, and one-pointedness of mind.”

The five faculties

§13“Friend, there are these five faculties: the faculty of the eye, the faculty of the ear, the faculty of the nose, the faculty of the tongue, and the faculty of the body. These five faculties have different domains and different resorts, and they do not experience each other’s domain and resort. What is their resort? What is it that experiences their domain?”

“Friend, these five faculties have different domains and different resorts, and they do not experience each other’s domain and resort. Their resort is mind. Mind experiences their domain.”

§14“Friend, there are these five faculties: the faculty of faith, the faculty of energy, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, and the faculty of wisdom. What is the domain and resort of these five faculties?”

Sāriputta defines each faculty’s resort: faith is to be seen in the four factors of stream-entry; energy in the four right efforts; mindfulness in the four establishments of mindfulness; concentration in the four jhānas; wisdom in the four noble truths.

Vital formation and the attainment of cessation

§15“Friend, ‘vital formation, vital formation’ is said. What is vital formation?”

“Friend, vitality and warmth — this is vital formation.”

“Friend, in a dead person whose life has ended, where do the bodily formation, the verbal formation, and the mental formation go?”

“In a dead person whose life has ended, the bodily formation, verbal formation, and mental formation have ceased, have become stilled. Vitality has ended. Warmth has subsided. The sense faculties have broken apart.”

§16“Friend, what is the difference between a dead person whose life has ended and a monk who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling?”

“In a dead person, the bodily formation has ceased and become stilled, the verbal formation has ceased and become stilled, the mental formation has ceased and become stilled. Vitality has ended. Warmth has subsided. The sense faculties have broken apart. But in a monk who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, the bodily formation has ceased and become stilled, the verbal formation has ceased and become stilled, the mental formation has ceased and become stilled. But vitality has not ended. Warmth has not subsided. The sense faculties are clear.”

Emergence from cessation

§17“Friend, when a monk emerges from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, how many contacts touch him?”

“Friend, when a monk emerges from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, three contacts touch him: emptiness contact, signless contact, and undirected contact.”

§18“Friend, when a monk emerges from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, to what does the mind incline, lean, and slope?”

“Friend, when a monk emerges from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, the mind inclines to seclusion, leans toward seclusion, slopes toward seclusion.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Who are the two speakers in MN 43?
Correct: B. MN 43 is a dialogue between two senior monks, not between the Buddha and a disciple. Mahākoṭṭhita poses the questions; Sāriputta, foremost in wisdom, answers. The Buddha is present in the background (the discourse takes place in his monastery) but does not participate.
Question 2 of 10
How does Sāriputta define a person “with wisdom”?
Correct: A. Wisdom (paññā) is defined in terms of understanding the four noble truths — not intellectual knowledge but genuine understanding “as they really are” (yathābhūtaṃ). This is a practical, experiential definition, not an academic one.
Question 3 of 10
What is the key difference between wisdom and consciousness, according to Sāriputta?
Correct: D. Both wisdom and consciousness see the same things (both are defined in terms of the four noble truths). The difference is in their training purpose: wisdom (paññā) is to be developed (bhāvetabbā) through cultivation; consciousness (viññāṇa) is to be fully understood (pariññeyyaṃ) through investigation. This is a distinction of practice, not of content.
Question 4 of 10
What does Sāriputta say about the relationship between feeling, perception, and consciousness?
Correct: C. Sāriputta insists that feeling, perception, and consciousness are “mixed together, not separate” (saṃsaṭṭhā ... no viseñeti). You cannot experience one without the other two arising simultaneously. This is a fundamental claim about the structure of mind: there is no “raw” consciousness without feeling-tone and recognition.
Question 5 of 10
What two conditions does Sāriputta name for the arising of right view?
Correct: B. Right view arises from two factors working together: hearing the teaching from a reliable external source (“the voice of another”) and bringing one’s own careful, methodical attention to it (“wise attention”). Neither alone is sufficient — hearing without reflection is rote; reflection without hearing is speculation.
Question 6 of 10
How many factors does the first jhāna have, according to Sāriputta?
Correct: A. The first jhāna has five factors: applied thought (vitakka), sustained thought (vicāra), rapture (pīti), happiness (sukha), and one-pointedness of mind (citt’ekaggatā). Sāriputta also notes that five factors are abandoned — the five hindrances — as five are gained.
Question 7 of 10
What “five factors are abandoned” in the first jhāna?
Correct: C. The five hindrances (nīvaraṇa) are the mental obstacles that must be overcome to enter jhāna: sensual desire (kāmacchanda), ill will (byāpāda), dullness and drowsiness (thīnamiddha), restlessness and remorse (uddhaccakukkucca), and doubt (vicikicchā). Their temporary suppression is what makes jhāna possible.
Question 8 of 10
What distinguishes a monk in the attainment of cessation from a dead person?
Correct: D. Sāriputta’s answer is precise: in both cases, bodily, verbal, and mental formations have ceased. But the monk in cessation retains vitality (āyu) and warmth (usmā), and the sense faculties remain clear (vippasannāni). The dead person has lost all three. This is the canonical distinction between the deepest meditative state and death.
Question 9 of 10
What three contacts touch a monk when emerging from the attainment of cessation?
Correct: A. The three contacts are: emptiness contact (suññato phasso), signless contact (animitto phasso), and undirected contact (appaṇihito phasso). These correspond to the three liberations — the three “doors to nibbāna.” The mind emerging from cessation naturally contacts reality through these liberated modes.
Question 10 of 10
After emerging from the attainment of cessation, to what does the monk’s mind incline?
Correct: B. Sāriputta says the mind “inclines to seclusion, leans toward seclusion, slopes toward seclusion” (vivekaninno hoti vivekapaṇṇo vivekapoṇo). Seclusion (viveka) here means the letting go of all conditioned things — not physical isolation but the mind’s natural movement toward release after experiencing the deepest cessation.
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