Majjhima Nikāya · Discourse 67

At Cātumā

Cātumāsutta

Setting
Cātumā, in a myrobalan grove
Speakers
The Buddha, with Sāriputta, Moggallāna, Ānanda, the Sakyans of Cātumā, and Brahmā Sahampati
Form
A narrative drama opening into a teaching — the Buddha dismisses a noisy Saṅgha, is persuaded to relent, tests his chief disciples, and warns of the four dangers of going forth.
Length
~12 minutes to read
Northern parallel
EĀ 45.2 (Ekottarika-āgama) and T 137
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — a vivid, easily followed story carrying a clear four-part allegory of the temptations that turn new renunciants back.

Why this discourse, sixty-seventh

Five hundred monks, led by Sāriputta and Moggallāna, arrive to see the Buddha — and, settling in, make “a colossal racket; you’d think it was fishermen hauling in a catch.” The Buddha’s response is startling: he summons them and dismisses them outright. “Go away, mendicants, I dismiss you. You are not to stay in my presence.”

What follows is a small, very human drama of intercession. The lay Sakyans of Cātumā, and then the great god Brahmā Sahampati himself, come to plead for the Saṅgha — not for the noisy seniors but for the young monks, “recently gone forth,” who need the Buddha’s presence to flourish: “If young seedlings don’t get water they may wither; if a young calf doesn’t see its mother it may fall apart.” Moved by these similes, the Buddha relents. Then he turns to his two great disciples and quietly tests them: Sāriputta, it turns out, had thought only of the ease the dismissal would bring; Moggallāna had thought of taking up the care of the Saṅgha himself. The first the Buddha rebukes; the second he praises.

From this the Buddha draws a teaching for everyone who sets out on the path. Just as a person entering a river must reckon with four dangers — waves, crocodiles, whirlpools, and sharks — so one who goes forth into the homeless life faces four dangers that can drive a sincere seeker back to the world: the waves of anger at being corrected, the crocodiles of gluttony, the whirlpools of sensual pleasure, and the sharks of sexual desire. The grandeur of the framing — gods interceding, chief disciples examined — gives way to the plainest of pastoral concerns: what makes new monks give up, and how to see it coming.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

The Buddha sends away a noisy Saṅgha and is persuaded to take them back for the sake of the young monks; he commends Moggallāna’s readiness to lead and corrects Sāriputta’s wish for his own ease; and he warns that one who goes forth faces four dangers like those of entering a river — the waves of anger at correction, the crocodiles of gluttony, the whirlpools of sensual pleasure, and the sharks of sexual desire — each of which can drive a sincere seeker back to lay life.

The dismissal at Cātumā

The opening is unexpectedly stern. These are not bad monks — they are led by the two chief disciples and have travelled to see the Teacher — but their undisciplined clamour, the ordinary commotion of a large group settling in, is enough for the Buddha to dismiss the whole company. The point is not cruelty but standard: the Buddha’s presence is not a place for heedless noise, and he will withdraw it rather than let it be cheapened. His method of correction here is silence and absence — the most eloquent rebuke a teacher can give. It says, without a word of doctrine, that the training is serious, and that proximity to the Teacher is a privilege to be honoured.

Seedlings and the calf: the intercession

The pleading that follows is tender and revealing. The lay Sakyans, and then Brahmā Sahampati — the same god who, long before, had begged the newly awakened Buddha to teach at all — come not to excuse the noise but to advocate for the vulnerable. Their concern is the “junior, recently gone forth” monks, who, deprived of the Buddha’s presence, “may change and fall apart.” Their two similes are perfectly chosen: “If young seedlings don’t get water they may wither”; “if a young calf doesn’t see its mother it may fall apart.” The new practitioner is like something young and growing, dependent on warmth and presence to take root. The Buddha’s confidence is “restored” by these images — a striking moment in which the Teacher is moved by an appeal not to principle but to compassion for the weak.

Sāriputta and Moggallāna

The most instructive exchange is the quiet test of the two chief disciples. “Sāriputta, what did you think when I dismissed the Saṅgha?” Sāriputta — foremost in wisdom — answers honestly: “I thought, ‘Now the Buddha will dwell at ease in blissful meditation, and so will we.’” The Buddha cuts him off sharply: “Hold on, Sāriputta! Don’t you ever think such a thing again!” Then the same question to Moggallāna, who answers: “I thought, ‘The Buddha will dwell at ease; meanwhile Sāriputta and I shall lead the Saṅgha.’” “Good, good, Moggallāna!” The lesson is about responsibility. Faced with the community’s disgrace, Sāriputta’s first thought was of the peace he could now enjoy; Moggallāna’s was of the burden he should now take up. Even the wisest disciple can mistake withdrawal for the right response when others need carrying. To care for the Saṅgha — not merely to enjoy one’s own attainment — is the mark of true seniority.

Going forth like entering a river

Then the central teaching. “When you go into the water you should anticipate four dangers: waves, crocodiles, whirlpools, and sharks.” In the same way, one who goes forth should anticipate four dangers. Each portrait begins identically and movingly: a person of genuine faith goes forth, thinking, “I’m swamped by birth, old age, and death… mired in suffering. Hopefully I can make an end of this entire mass of suffering.” The sincerity is real. And yet, for each of the four, a specific obstacle arises that proves stronger than the original aspiration, and the seeker turns back. The allegory is not about exotic temptations but about the ordinary frictions of the renunciant life that, unguarded, undo it.

The dangerWhat it means
WavesAnger at correction. Instructed by juniors on how to walk, look, and carry his bowl, the new monk bristles: “Formerly I instructed others — and now these who could be my children think they can instruct me!” He disrobes.
CrocodilesGluttony. Held to the food rules — this but not that, at the right time only — he resents: “Formerly I ate what I wanted, when I wanted; now these monks want to gag my mouth!” He disrobes.
WhirlpoolsSensual pleasure. Going for alms unguarded, he sees a householder enjoying the five senses, and thinks: “My family is wealthy; I can both enjoy my wealth and make merit.” He disrobes.
SharksSexual desire. Going for alms unguarded, he sees a person whose dress provokes him, “lust infects his mind,” and he disrobes.

Waves and crocodiles: the dangers of resentment

The first two dangers share a root: the bruised pride of someone who was once a person of standing and now must submit to a discipline administered, often, by those junior to him. The “waves” are anger at being corrected; the “crocodiles” are resentment at being restrained — in food, but the principle is general. Both fail not because the rules are harsh but because the ego cannot bear to be small. The one who went forth to end suffering is defeated by the lesser suffering of a wounded sense of importance. It is a precise diagnosis: the renunciant life asks one to be teachable and contained, and the first thing it tests is whether the old self-image can yield.

Whirlpools and sharks: the dangers of desire

The second two share a different root: the pull of the sense pleasures left behind, awakened by a single unguarded encounter. The “whirlpool” is the general undertow of sensuality — the sight of someone enjoying wealth and comfort, and the seductive thought that one could have both the pleasures and the merit. The “sharks” are sexual desire specifically. (The text’s gloss — “sharks is a term for women” — reflects its address to male monks; the danger named is the monk’s own lust, not the existence of women.) Both arise “going for alms without guarding body, speech, and mind, without restraining the sense faculties” — the failure of sense-restraint is the open gate through which they enter. The remedy is implicit in the diagnosis: a single guarded encounter is a small thing, but an unguarded one can capsize a vocation.

The pattern of falling away

Read together, the four dangers form a quiet pastoral map of why people who sincerely begin the path do not finish it. None of the four monks is a fraud; each goes forth “out of faith,” genuinely longing to end suffering. They are undone not by some great failure of conviction but by an ordinary, unexamined attachment — to status, to food, to comfort, to desire — that the new life brings into the open. The teaching’s value is its realism and its kindness: it does not condemn those who turn back but names the predictable hazards so that the next seeker can “anticipate” them, see them coming, and not be swept away. To know the river has waves and whirlpools is already to be safer in the water.

Key terms

paṇāmeti — to dismiss, send away. The Buddha’s formal dismissal of the noisy Saṅgha: “You are not to stay in my presence” — correction by withdrawal.
Brahmā Sahampati — the high god who, after the Buddha’s awakening, requested him to teach. Here he intercedes again, with the similes of seedlings and the calf, on behalf of the young monks.
ūmi-bhaya — “the danger of waves”: a term for anger and irritation at being corrected. The first of the four dangers of going forth.
kumbhīla-bhaya — “the danger of crocodiles”: a term for gluttony — resentment of the discipline of food.
āvaṭṭa-bhaya — “the danger of whirlpools”: a term for the five kinds of sensual stimulation — the undertow that pulls one back to lay enjoyment.
susukā-bhaya — “the danger of sharks”: a term for sexual desire — lust awakened by an unguarded encounter. Both this and the whirlpool enter through the failure of sense-restraint.

The text

The full discourse, abridged where the source repeats. The dismissal, the intercession, and the testing of the disciples are given in full; the four dangers are given with the first (waves) in full and the rest condensed. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

The racket, and the dismissal

§1–5So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Cātumā in a myrobalan grove. Now five hundred mendicants headed by Sāriputta and Moggallāna arrived to see the Buddha. While settling in, the visiting mendicants made a colossal racket. The Buddha said to Ānanda, “Ānanda, who’s making that colossal racket? You’d think it was fishermen hauling in a catch!” Ānanda told him. So the Buddha summoned the mendicants and asked them. When they had explained, he said, “Go away, mendicants, I dismiss you. You are not to stay in my presence.” “Yes, sir,” they replied. They bowed, circled the Buddha, set their lodgings in order, and left with their bowls and robes.

Seedlings and the calf

§6–7Now the Sakyans of Cātumā were sitting at the town hall. Seeing the mendicants leaving, they asked, “Venerables, where are you going?” “The Saṅgha has been dismissed by the Buddha.” “Then sit here a moment; perhaps we can restore the Buddha’s confidence.” The Sakyans went to the Buddha and said, “May the Buddha be happy with the Saṅgha, welcome the Saṅgha, support the Saṅgha as he did in the past! There are mendicants here who are junior, recently gone forth. If they don’t get to see the Buddha they may change and fall apart. If young seedlings don’t get water they may change and fall apart… If a young calf doesn’t see its mother it may change and fall apart. In the same way, these junior mendicants, if they don’t get to see the Buddha, may change and fall apart.”

§8–11Then the divinity Brahmā Sahampati, knowing the Buddha’s thought, appeared before him and made the same plea, with the same similes of the seedlings and the calf. The Sakyans of Cātumā and Brahmā Sahampati were able to restore the Buddha’s confidence. Then Moggallāna told the mendicants, “Get up, reverends, take your bowls and robes. The Buddha’s confidence has been restored.” They returned to the Buddha and sat down.

Testing the disciples

§12–13The Buddha said to Sāriputta, “Sāriputta, what did you think when I dismissed the Saṅgha?” “Sir, I thought: ‘The Buddha will now remain passive, dwelling in blissful meditation in this life, and so will we.’” “Hold on, Sāriputta, hold on! Don’t you ever think such a thing again!” Then to Moggallāna: “Moggallāna, what did you think?” “Sir, I thought: ‘The Buddha will remain passive, dwelling in blissful meditation. Meanwhile, Sāriputta and I shall lead the Saṅgha.’” “Good, good, Moggallāna! For either I should lead the Saṅgha, or else Sāriputta and Moggallāna.”

The four dangers

§14–16Then the Buddha said: “Mendicants, when you go into the water you should anticipate four dangers: waves, gharials, whirlpools, and sharks. In the same way, one gone forth from the lay life to homelessness should anticipate four dangers. And what is the danger of waves? It’s when a gentleman has gone forth out of faith, thinking, ‘I’m swamped by birth, old age, and death… mired in suffering. Hopefully I can make an end to this entire mass of suffering.’ When he’s gone forth, his companions instruct him: ‘You should go out like this, look like this, bend your limbs like this, bear your robe and bowl like this.’ He thinks: ‘Formerly, as a layperson, I instructed others. And now these mendicants — who could be my children or grandchildren — imagine they can instruct me!’ He resigns the training and returns to a lesser life. This is one who returns for fear of the danger of waves. ‘Danger of waves’ is a term for anger and distress.”

The Buddha describes the other three dangers in the same pattern. The danger of gharials is gluttony: held to the food rules, the monk resents, “Formerly I ate what I wanted… but these monks imagine they can gag our mouths!” and disrobes. The danger of whirlpools is the five kinds of sensual stimulation: going for alms unguarded, he sees householders enjoying the senses, thinks “My family is wealthy; I can both enjoy my wealth and make merit,” and disrobes. The danger of sharks is sexual desire: going for alms unguarded, he sees a person whose dress provokes him, “lust infects his mind,” and he disrobes.

§20“These are the four dangers that one gone forth from the lay life to homelessness in this teaching and training should anticipate.” That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants approved what the Buddha said.

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Why does the Buddha dismiss the five hundred monks?
Correct: C. “You’d think it was fishermen hauling in a catch!” These are not bad monks — they are led by the two chief disciples — but heedless noise is enough for the Buddha to withdraw his presence. Correction by silence and absence.
Question 2 of 10
On whose behalf do the Sakyans and Brahmā Sahampati intercede?
Correct: A. They do not excuse the noise but advocate for the vulnerable: junior monks who, deprived of the Buddha’s presence, “may change and fall apart.”
Question 3 of 10
What two similes restore the Buddha’s confidence?
Correct: D. The new practitioner is like something young and growing, dependent on warmth and presence to take root. The Buddha is moved by an appeal not to principle but to compassion for the weak.
Question 4 of 10
How did Sāriputta respond to the dismissal, and how did the Buddha react?
Correct: B. Sāriputta — foremost in wisdom — thought first of the peace he could now enjoy. The Buddha cut him off sharply: faced with the community’s disgrace, ease was not the right response.
Question 5 of 10
How did Moggallāna respond, and what does the contrast teach?
Correct: C. “Good, good, Moggallāna!” Moggallāna’s first thought was of the burden he should take up. Even the wisest can mistake withdrawal for the right response when others need carrying.
Question 6 of 10
What are the four dangers of going forth compared to?
Correct: D. Just as one entering water must reckon with these four, so one who goes forth into the homeless life faces four dangers that can drive a sincere seeker back to the world.
Question 7 of 10
What does the “danger of waves” stand for?
Correct: A. “Danger of waves is a term for anger and distress.” Instructed on how to walk and carry his bowl, the new monk thinks, “These who could be my children imagine they can instruct me!” The bruised ego cannot bear to be small.
Question 8 of 10
What do the “crocodiles” and the “whirlpools” stand for?
Correct: B. The crocodiles are gluttony — “these monks want to gag our mouths!” The whirlpools are the five sense pleasures — “my family is wealthy; I can both enjoy my wealth and make merit.” Both pull the seeker back.
Question 9 of 10
How do the whirlpool and shark dangers typically arise?
Correct: C. A single unguarded encounter — seeing someone enjoying pleasure, or a provocative sight — awakens the old desire. The remedy is implicit: a guarded encounter is a small thing, but an unguarded one can capsize a vocation.
Question 10 of 10
What is the deeper, kindly point of the four-dangers teaching?
Correct: A. None of the four monks is a fraud; each goes forth “out of faith.” They are undone by ordinary, unexamined attachments the new life brings into the open. To know the river has waves and whirlpools is already to be safer in the water.
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