Reading guide
Skepticism voiced before any encounter begins
The confrontation starts with two spirits disputing the Buddha's authenticity from a distance, Sūciloma flatly calling him a ‘faker’ before ever approaching — establishing genuine hostility, not curiosity, as the discourse's starting point.
A physical test with real, described discomfort
Sūciloma's approach isn't merely symbolic; leaning his body against the Buddha causes an actual unpleasant sensation, and the Buddha's own honest admission — ‘your touch is nasty’ — doesn't pretend otherwise, distinguishing discomfort from fear rather than denying the discomfort itself.
A threat of real violence, met without escalation
Sūciloma's threefold threat is vivid and specific — insanity, a burst heart, or being hurled across the Ganges — and the Buddha's reply doesn't counter-threaten or plead; it simply states, as fact, that no being in the entire world could actually do that to him, then moves straight to inviting the question.
A question about the mind's own restlessness
Sūciloma's actual question, once he finally asks it, isn't a trick or a trap; it's a genuine inquiry into the origin of greed, hatred, discontent, desire, and mental agitation, vividly compared to ‘a crow let loose by boys’ — startled, scattering in every direction.
Self-propagating imagery for craving's actual source
The Buddha's answer doesn't locate these mental states outside the person experiencing them; it describes them as ‘born of affection, originating in oneself’, using two vivid botanical images — prop roots sprouting from a banyan, a creeper spreading unchecked through the woods — for how self-generated attachment multiplies on its own.
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The text
§1At one time the Buddha was staying near Gayā on the cut-stone ledge in the haunt of Spiky the native spirit. Now at that time the native spirits Shaggy and Spiky were passing by not far from the Buddha. So Shaggy said to Spiky, “That’s an ascetic.” “That’s no ascetic, he’s a faker! I’ll soon find out whether he’s an ascetic or a faker.”
§2Then Spiky went up to the Buddha and leaned up against his body, but the Buddha pulled away. Then Spiky said to the Buddha, “Are you afraid, ascetic?” “No, respectable sir, I’m not afraid. But your touch is nasty.” “I will ask you a question, ascetic. If you don’t answer me, I’ll drive you insane, or explode your heart, or grab you by the feet and throw you to the far shore of the Ganges!” “I don’t see anyone in this world with its gods, Māras, and Divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans who could do that to me. But anyway, ask what you wish.”
§3“Where do greed and hate come from? From where spring discontent, desire, and terror? Where do the mind’s thoughts originate, like a crow let loose by boys.”
§4“Greed and hate come from here; from here spring discontent, desire, and terror; here’s where the mind’s thoughts originate, like a crow let loose by boys.
§5Born of affection, originating in oneself, like prop roots sprouting from a banyan; the many kinds of attachment to sensual pleasures are like camel’s foot creeper creeping through the woods.
§6Those who understand where they come from get rid of them—listen up, spirit! They cross this flood so hard to cross, not crossed before, so as to not be reborn.”
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