Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 11.2

With Susīma

Susīmasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī — the Buddha narrating the same story from the world of the gods
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants; within the story, Sakka and the godling Susīma
Form
A near-verbatim repetition of SN 11.1's structure, differing only in the godling's name
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — structurally simple, its interest lying chiefly in what it repeats

Why this discourse

This discourse tells the identical story as SN 11.1, with the single substitution of Susīma's name for Suvīra's: the same threefold order, the same threefold negligence, the same escalating verse exchange arriving at the same conclusion about extinguishment requiring a path, and the same moral drawn for the monks. Rather than treating this as mere redundancy, this reading guide takes the near-exact repetition itself as worth noticing: whatever lesson Sakka's exchange teaches, it isn't tied to any one particular godling's individual character, but applies just as precisely to a second, differently named figure facing exactly the same test.

Reading guide

A near-total repetition, not a variation

Unlike this collection's more common pattern of single-word substitutions within an otherwise identical verse, this discourse repeats SN 11.1's entire structure — prose framing, threefold failure, full verse exchange, and closing moral — changing only the name of the godling addressed.

A lesson that doesn't depend on individual character

Because the substitution changes nothing about the content or outcome, the discourse implicitly suggests that Sakka's point isn't really about Suvīra or Susīma specifically; the same wish for effortless happiness, and the same revealing response to it, could apply to any godling placed in the same position.

Elision in the source, not full restatement

The Pali source itself doesn't fully spell out the second and third repetitions of Sakka's command; it uses an elision marker, trusting the reader to recall the pattern already established in the discourse immediately before it.

A structural device found elsewhere in this collection

Twin discourses differing only by a substituted name or single word appear at various points across this site's coverage of the Saṃyutta Nikāya; this pairing continues that pattern rather than introducing something new to it.

Best read as a pair, not read twice for new content

This reading guide recommends approaching SN 11.1 and SN 11.2 together as a single teaching told twice, rather than expecting this discourse to offer content genuinely distinct from its companion.

Key terms

susīmaṁ devaputtaṁ — “the godling Susīma” — the single substantive difference from SN 11.1's Suvīra.
pamādaṁ āpādesi — “fell into negligence” — the identical repeated failure, unchanged from the companion discourse.
anuṭṭhahaṁ avāyāmaṁ, sukhaṁ yatrādhigacchati — “where you can achieve happiness without working for it or trying hard” — Sakka's identical leading question, restated exactly as before.
nibbānassa hi so maggo — “that surely would be extinguishment's path” — the same conclusion, reached through the same escalation.
uṭṭhānavīriyassa vaṇṇavādī — “will speak in praise of initiative and energy” — the identical closing moral applied to the monks.

The text

The discourse in full. The second and third repetitions of Sakka's command are elided in the source, following the pattern already given in full in SN 11.1, and are not reconstructed here. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants, “Mendicants!” “Venerable sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

§2“Once upon a time, mendicants, the titans marched against the gods. Then Sakka, lord of gods, addressed the godling Susīma, ‘Dear Susīma, the titans march against the gods! Go, and march against the titans!’ ‘Yes, lord,’ replied Susīma. But he fell into negligence. For a second time … For a third time … Then Sakka addressed the godling Susīma in verse:

§3‘Susīma, go to that place where you can achieve happiness without working for it or trying hard—and take me with you!’

§4‘That a lazy man who does no work, and doesn’t do his duty, should fulfill all his desires: Sakka, render me this boon!’

§5‘Susīma, go to that place where a lazy man who does no work prospers in unending happiness—and take me with you!’

§6‘O Sakka, first among gods, that we might find the happiness that’s sorrowless, unstressed: Sakka, render me this boon!’

§7‘If there exists anywhere a place where one can live happily without working, that surely would be extinguishment’s path! Susīma, go to that place and take me with you!’

§8Since, mendicants, even that Sakka, lord of gods—while living off of the fruit of his good deeds, and ruling as sovereign lord over these gods of the thirty-three—will speak in praise of initiative and energy, you can excel at this, for you who have gone forth in such a well explained teaching and training can try hard, strive, and make an effort to attain the unattained, achieve the unachieved, and realize the unrealized.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What is the single substantive difference between this discourse and SN 11.1?
Correct: A. Every other element of the story remains unchanged.
Question 2 of 10
How does this discourse's repetition compare to the single-word substitutions seen elsewhere in this collection?
Correct: A. A more extensive repetition than the typical single-word variant technique.
Question 3 of 10
What does the near-total repetition suggest about Sakka's teaching?
Correct: A. The same wish and the same response applying regardless of which godling faces it.
Question 4 of 10
How does the Pali source handle the second and third repetitions of Sakka's command?
Correct: A. A structural shorthand relying on the immediately preceding discourse.
Question 5 of 10
How does this reading guide recommend approaching SN 11.1 and SN 11.2?
Correct: A. Reading them as a pair rather than seeking new content in the repetition.
Question 6 of 10
What conclusion does this discourse's verse exchange reach?
Correct: A. Identical content leading to an identical resolution.
Question 7 of 10
What broader pattern in this collection does this pairing continue?
Correct: A. A recognizable structural device this site has encountered before in other saṃyuttas.
Question 8 of 10
What task does Sakka assign to Susīma, as in SN 11.1?
Correct: A. The same defensive military task from the companion discourse.
Question 9 of 10
What moral closes this discourse, matching SN 11.1's?
Correct: A. The identical closing application to the monks' own striving.
Question 10 of 10
Where does this discourse's narration take place?
Correct: A. The same setting as SN 11.1, immediately before it.
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