Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 12.24

Followers of Other Religions

Aññatitthiyasutta

Setting
Rājagaha, the Bamboo Grove — opening at a monastery of wanderers from other traditions
Speakers
Sāriputta, wanderers of other religions, Ānanda, and finally the Buddha himself
Form
A philosophical challenge answered twice over — once by Sāriputta, once confirmed and retold by the Buddha — closing with Ānanda's own demonstration
Length
~6 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — an elegant philosophical move worth reading carefully

Why this discourse

Wanderers of other traditions press Sāriputta with the same four-way question already seen from Kassapa and Timbaruka: is suffering self-made, other-made, both, or neither? Rather than picking a side, Sāriputta reframes the entire debate around a single word: suffering, the Buddha teaches, is dependent on contact. And crucially, every one of the four positions the wanderers name still depends on contact to be experienced at all — none of them can claim to feel what they're theorizing about apart from it. The Buddha confirms Sāriputta's answer as exactly right, then invites Ānanda to demonstrate the same understanding in fuller detail, which he does by walking the entire chain himself.

Reading guide

A question posed to a disciple, not to the Buddha directly

Unlike SN 12.17 and SN 12.18, where the same tetralemma was put directly to the Buddha, here it's addressed to Sāriputta, testing whether his understanding matches his teacher's without the Buddha present to answer it himself.

A single word answering a four-way debate

Rather than engaging with each of the four positions in turn, Sāriputta collapses the whole question into one phrase — suffering is dependent on contact — sidestepping the debate's own terms entirely.

Every position shown to share the same hidden dependency

The elegance of the answer lies in what it does to all four positions at once: whether someone claims suffering is self-made, other-made, both, or neither, none of them could actually experience what they're describing apart from contact — the debate itself rests on ground none of the debaters have examined.

An answer confirmed, not merely accepted

The Buddha doesn't simply approve of Sāriputta's answer in passing; he explicitly recounts facing the identical question from the same wanderers and giving the identical reply, making the confirmation personal and specific rather than generic praise.

A second demonstration, freely offered rather than tested

When Ānanda marvels that so much could be captured in a single word, the Buddha doesn't simply explain further himself; he invites Ānanda to clarify the matter in his own words, and Ānanda proves equal to the task, walking the full chain from old age and death back to the six sense fields and forward again through its cessation.

Key terms

sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ… paraṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ — “suffering made by oneself… made by another” — the same fourfold question already seen from Kassapa and Timbaruka, now posed to Sāriputta.
paṭiccasamuppannaṁ kho dukkhaṁ vuttaṁ bhagavatā. kiṁ paṭicca? phassaṁ paṭicca — “the Buddha has said that suffering is dependently originated. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact” — Sāriputta's single-phrase reframing of the entire debate.
te vata aññatra phassā paṭisaṁvedissantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati — “it's impossible that they will experience that without contact” — the point that all four philosophical positions equally depend on contact to be experienced at all.
sādhu sādhu, ānanda… yathā taṁ sāriputto sammā byākaramāno byākareyya — “good, good, Ānanda!… it's just as Sāriputta has so rightly explained” — the Buddha's specific, personal confirmation, matched by his own identical account facing the same question.
taññevettha paṭibhātu — “clarify this matter yourself” — the Buddha inviting Ānanda to demonstrate his own understanding rather than explaining it for him.

The text

The discourse in full. Several passages repeating earlier content are elided in the source exactly as bilara-data preserves them. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Then Venerable Sāriputta robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Rājagaha for alms. Then it occurred to him, “It’s too early to wander for alms in Rājagaha. Why don’t I visit the monastery of the wanderers of other religions?” Then he went to the monastery of the wanderers of other religions and exchanged greetings with the wanderers there. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him:

§2“Reverend Sāriputta, there are ascetics and brahmins who teach the efficacy of deeds. Some of them declare that suffering is made by oneself. Some of them declare that suffering is made by another. Some of them declare that suffering is made by both oneself and another. Some of them declare that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another. What does the ascetic Gotama say about this? How does he explain it? How should we answer so as to repeat what the ascetic Gotama has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should we explain in line with his teaching, with no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”

§3“Reverends, the Buddha has said that suffering is dependently originated. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. In speaking like this, you would repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth. You would explain in line with his teaching, and there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism. Consider the ascetics and brahmins who teach the efficacy of deeds. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by oneself, that’s dependent on contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by another, that’s also dependent on contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by oneself and another, that’s also dependent on contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, that’s also dependent on contact. Consider the ascetics and brahmins who teach the efficacy of deeds. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by oneself, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by another, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering is made by oneself and another, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact. In the case of those who declare that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact.”

§4Venerable Ānanda heard this discussion between Venerable Sāriputta and those wanderers of other religions. Then Ānanda wandered for alms in Rājagaha. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed. “Good, good, Ānanda! It’s just as Sāriputta has so rightly explained. I have said that suffering is dependently originated. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. Saying this you would repeat what I have said, and not misrepresent me with an untruth. You would explain in line with my teaching, and there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism.

§5“It’s incredible, sir, it’s amazing, how the whole matter is stated with one phrase. Could there be a detailed explanation of this matter that is both deep and appears deep?”

§6“Well then, Ānanda, clarify this matter yourself.” “Sir, suppose they were to ask me: ‘Reverend Ānanda, what is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of old age and death?’ I’d answer like this: ‘Reverends, rebirth is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of old age and death.’ That’s how I’d answer such a question.

§7Suppose they were to ask me: ‘What is the source of rebirth?’ I’d answer like this: ‘Continued existence is the source of rebirth.’ That’s how I’d answer such a question.

§8Suppose they were to ask me: ‘What is the source of continued existence?’ I’d answer like this: ‘Grasping is the source of continued existence.’ That’s how I’d answer such a question.

§9Suppose they were to ask me: ‘What is the source of grasping?’ … craving … feeling … Suppose they were to ask me: ‘What is the source of contact?’ I’d answer like this: ‘The six sense fields are the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of contact.’ ‘When the six fields of contact fade away and cease with nothing left over, contact ceases. When contact ceases, feeling ceases. When feeling ceases, craving ceases. When craving ceases, grasping ceases. When grasping ceases, continued existence ceases. When continued existence ceases, rebirth ceases. When rebirth ceases, old age and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress cease. That is how this entire mass of suffering ceases.’ That’s how I’d answer such a question.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Who do the wanderers of other religions initially address their fourfold question to?
Correct: A. Testing whether a disciple's understanding matches the teacher's.
Question 2 of 10
How does Sāriputta answer the four-way question about suffering?
Correct: A. Sidestepping the debate's own terms with a single reframing word.
Question 3 of 10
What does Sāriputta point out that all four positions share?
Correct: A. A hidden dependency none of the four debaters have examined.
Question 4 of 10
How does the Buddha respond when he learns of Sāriputta's answer?
Correct: A. A personal, specific confirmation rather than generic praise.
Question 5 of 10
Who first reports the exchange between Sāriputta and the wanderers to the Buddha?
Correct: A. Ānanda's overhearing sets up the discourse's second half.
Question 6 of 10
What does Ānanda marvel at regarding Sāriputta's answer?
Correct: A. The elegance of the single-word reframing.
Question 7 of 10
How does the Buddha respond to Ānanda's request for a fuller explanation?
Correct: A. A demonstration freely offered to Ānanda, not simply given by the Buddha.
Question 8 of 10
What does Ānanda do when asked to clarify the matter?
Correct: A. Proving equal to the task the Buddha set for him.
Question 9 of 10
What triggers Sāriputta's decision to visit the monastery of other wanderers in the first place?
Correct: A. An ordinary, practical reason opening the discourse.
Question 10 of 10
Where does this discourse take place?
Correct: A. A setting distinct from most of this chapter's Sāvatthī backdrop.
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