Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 12.29

Ascetics and Brahmins

Samaṇabrāhmaṇasutta

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
The Buddha alone, addressing the assembled mendicants
Form
The same fourfold test as SN 12.13 and SN 12.14, reprised with a single intensified verb
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — a small verbal shift on already-familiar content, worth noting rather than overreading

Why this discourse

This discourse returns to territory this chapter has already covered twice: the same fourfold test of each link, the same verdict distinguishing true ascetics and brahmins from those in name only. What's different this time is a single word — where SN 12.13 and SN 12.14 asked whether someone understands (pajānāti) each link, this discourse asks whether they completely understand (parijānāti) it, a slightly intensified standard for the same underlying test.

Reading guide

A third pass over already-familiar ground

Rather than treating this discourse as introducing new content, this reading guide names it honestly as a third iteration of the same test already given in SN 12.13 and SN 12.14, distinguished by a single verbal shift rather than substantive new teaching.

A single intensified verb carrying the whole difference

Where the earlier pair used pajānāti, a general term for understanding, this discourse consistently uses parijānāti, suggesting a fuller, more complete grasp — the only substantive change from the earlier discourses' wording.

The same verdict, the same stakes

Despite this verbal shift, the discourse's conclusion matches its predecessors precisely: failing this test on any link means the Buddha doesn't deem someone a true ascetic or brahmin, regardless of title.

The same two-part symmetry preserved once more

As in SN 12.13 and SN 12.14, this discourse gives equal, parallel treatment to both failure and success, closing with the identical positive verdict for those who meet the standard.

A reprise placed deliberately near this chapter's close

Returning to this theme so close to Dasabalavagga's end suggests a deliberate echo rather than coincidence, tying this chapter's closing material back to a question already raised early in Āhāravagga.

Key terms

na parijānanti — “don't completely understand” — the intensified verb distinguishing this discourse's wording from SN 12.13's plainer pajānāti.
jarāmaraṇaṁ na parijānanti, jarāmaraṇasamudayaṁ na parijānanti — “don't completely understand old age and death, their origin” — the fourfold test's first application, matching SN 12.13's structure exactly.
na mete… samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā samaṇesu vā samaṇasammatā — “I don't deem them as true ascetics and brahmins” — the identical verdict already given in SN 12.13 and SN 12.14.
sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ… sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā — “the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin… realized with their own insight” — the same standard of personal realization already established in SN 12.13.
te kho me… samaṇasammatā — “I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins” — the positive counterpart verdict, closing the discourse exactly as its predecessors close.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1“There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t completely understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. They don’t completely understand rebirth … continued existence … grasping … craving … feeling … contact … the six sense fields … name and form … consciousness … They don’t completely understand choices, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. I don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight.

§2There are ascetics and brahmins who completely understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. They completely understand rebirth … continued existence … grasping … craving … feeling … contact … the six sense fields … name and form … consciousness … They completely understand choices, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How does this discourse relate to SN 12.13 and SN 12.14?
Correct: A. A third pass over already-familiar ground, named honestly as such.
Question 2 of 10
What verb does this discourse use, differing from SN 12.13's wording?
Correct: A. A slightly intensified standard for the same underlying test.
Question 3 of 10
Does this verbal shift change the discourse's fundamental verdict?
Correct: A. The same conclusion, only the wording intensified.
Question 4 of 10
What happens to someone who fails this test on even one link?
Correct: A. Matching the uncompromising standard from the earlier pair.
Question 5 of 10
Does the discourse give equal treatment to both failure and success?
Correct: A. The identical balanced structure preserved once more.
Question 6 of 10
Where in Dasabalavagga does this reprise of the theme appear?
Correct: A. Tying the chapter's closing material back to earlier content.
Question 7 of 10
What is the first link the fourfold test is applied to?
Correct: A. Matching the standard starting point already familiar from this chapter.
Question 8 of 10
What is the standard given for genuine ascetic or brahmin status?
Correct: A. Identical substantive content to the earlier discourses.
Question 9 of 10
What is the twelfth and final link closing the enumeration?
Correct: A. The consistent closing link across this chapter's related discourses.
Question 10 of 10
Where does the Buddha deliver this teaching?
Correct: A. The consistent setting across most of this chapter.
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