Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 12.70

The Wanderer Susīma

Susīmaparibbājakasutta

Setting
Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove
Speakers
The Buddha, the wanderer-turned-mendicant Susīma, Venerable Ānanda, and several unnamed mendicants
Form
An extended narrative in three movements — a mercenary ordination, a failed interrogation of genuine arahants, and the Buddha's own teaching and forgiveness
Length
~11 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★★★ — closing this chapter with one of the canon's most consequential single discourses

Why this discourse

Closing Mahāvagga, this discourse tells one of the fullest narratives in this saṃyutta. The wanderer Susīma is sent by his own community to infiltrate the Buddha's teaching purely for material gain — the Buddhist Saṅgha is receiving offerings that rival ascetics aren't — and ordains under false pretenses. When he hears several mendicants declare their own full awakening, he interrogates them expecting the traditional marks of attainment: psychic power, clairaudience, mind-reading, memory of past lives, the divine eye, formless meditative attainments. They answer no to every single one, telling him only that they are "freed by wisdom." Confused, Susīma brings the puzzle to the Buddha himself, who gives one of the most quoted lines in the early texts — knowledge of the stability of natural principles comes first, knowledge of extinguishment comes after — before walking Susīma through the same five-aggregate reflection and the same full twelve-link catechism that produced those mendicants' understanding, then asking Susīma the identical six questions he'd put to them. Susīma, now understanding everything intellectually, still answers no to every one. The discourse closes not with triumph but with confession and an act of forgiveness.

Reading guide

A spy, not a genuine seeker, at the outset

The discourse doesn't soften Susīma's motive; his own community sends him explicitly to memorize the teaching so they can sell it to laypeople and win back the material support flowing to the Buddhist Saṅgha, making his ordination transactional from the very start.

An interrogation built on a specific, testable assumption

Susīma's six questions aren't vague; they name specific, checkable attainments — the many kinds of psychic power, clairaudience, reading others' minds, recollecting past lives, the divine eye, the formless liberations — treating awakening as something that should show up as a checklist of supernormal abilities.

"Freed by wisdom," repeated without elaboration

When the mendicants answer no to every question, they don't try to explain or justify themselves further; they simply repeat "we are freed by wisdom," twice, whether or not Susīma understands it, refusing to make their attainment depend on his approval.

A famous line that reorders the whole path

"Pubbe kho, susima, dhammaṭṭhitiñāṇaṁ, pacchā nibbāne ñāṇan" places knowledge of how conditioned things actually work before any knowledge of extinguishment itself, suggesting liberation is reached through understanding causality thoroughly, not through acquiring extraordinary powers as evidence of it.

The same test turned back on the one who gave it

After walking Susīma through the five aggregates and the full twelve-link chain, the Buddha asks him the identical six questions he'd asked the other mendicants — and Susīma, now genuinely understanding the teaching, still has to answer no to every one, confirming that intellectual and even liberating understanding doesn't automatically come bundled with supernormal powers.

Confession met with a severe comparison and genuine acceptance

The Buddha doesn't minimize what Susīma did; he compares "stealing the teaching" to a criminal publicly executed, calling the spiritual consequence worse than that death — but immediately accepts Susīma's confession as genuine growth, closing the discourse, and this whole chapter, on forgiveness rather than condemnation.

Key terms

dhammatthenako — “a thief of the teachings” — Susīma's own word for what he did, ordaining to extract the Dhamma for material gain.
paññāvimuttā kho mayaṁ — “we are freed by wisdom” — the mendicants' repeated answer, offered without further explanation.
pubbe kho, susima, dhammaṭṭhitiñāṇaṁ, pacchā nibbāne ñāṇaṁ — “first comes knowledge of the stability of natural principles. Afterwards there is knowledge of extinguishment” — one of the most quoted single lines in the early texts.
netaṁ mama nesohamasmi na meso attā — “this is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self” — the not-self reflection applied to all five aggregates before Susīma's own liberation.
yathābālaṁ yathāmūḷhaṁ yathāakusalaṁ — “foolish, stupid, and unskillful” — Susīma's own description of his crime, confirmed word for word by the Buddha before he is forgiven.

The text

The discourse in full, closing Mahāvagga. The chapter's closing verse of discourse titles is not translated in the source and is not quoted here; see the reading guide above for its contents. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground. Now at that time the Buddha was honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed. And he received robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick. And the mendicant Saṅgha was also honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed. And they received robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick. But the wanderers who followed other religions were not honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed. And they didn’t receive robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick.

§2Now at that time the wanderer Susīma was residing at Rājagaha together with a large community of wanderers. Then his community said to Susīma, “Reverend Susīma, please lead the spiritual life with the ascetic Gotama. Memorize that teaching and have us recite it with you. When we’ve memorized it we’ll recite it to the laity. In this way we too will be honored, respected, revered, venerated, and esteemed. And we’ll receive robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick.” “Yes, reverends,” replied Susīma to his own assembly. Then he went to Venerable Ānanda, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Ānanda, “Reverend Ānanda, I wish to lead the spiritual life in this teaching and training.”

§3Then Ānanda took Susīma to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him, “Sir, this wanderer Susīma says that he wishes to lead the spiritual life in this teaching and training.” “Well then, Ānanda, give Susīma the going forth.” And the wanderer Susīma received the going forth, the ordination in the Buddha’s presence.

§4Now at that time several mendicants had declared their enlightenment in the Buddha’s presence: “We understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’” Venerable Susīma heard about this. He went up to those mendicants, and exchanged greetings with them. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to those mendicants, “Is it really true that the venerables have declared enlightenment in the Buddha’s presence?” “Yes, reverend.”

§5“But knowing and seeing thus, do you wield the many kinds of psychic power? That is, multiplying yourselves and becoming one again; materializing and dematerializing; going unobstructed through a wall, a rampart, or a mountain as if through space; diving in and out of the earth as if it were water; walking on water as if it were earth; flying cross-legged through the sky like a bird; touching and stroking with the hand the sun and moon, so mighty and powerful. Do you control the body as far as the realm of divinity?” “No, reverend.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus do you, with clairaudience that is purified and superhuman, hear both kinds of sounds, human and heavenly, whether near or far?” “No, reverend.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you understand the minds of other beings and individuals, having encompassed them with your mind? Do you understand mind with greed as ‘mind with greed’, and mind without greed as ‘mind without greed’? Do you understand mind with hate as ‘mind with hate’, and mind without hate as ‘mind without hate’? Do you understand mind with delusion as ‘mind with delusion’, and mind without delusion as ‘mind without delusion’? Do you understand constricted mind as ‘constricted mind’, and scattered mind as ‘scattered mind’? Do you understand expansive mind as ‘expansive mind’, and unexpansive mind as ‘unexpansive mind’? Do you understand mind that is not supreme as ‘mind that is not supreme’, and mind that is supreme as ‘mind that is supreme’? Do you understand mind immersed in samādhi as ‘mind immersed in samādhi’, and mind not immersed in samādhi as ‘mind not immersed in samādhi’? Do you understand freed mind as ‘freed mind’, and unfreed mind as ‘unfreed mind’?” “No, reverend.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you recollect many kinds of past lives? That is: one, two, three, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred, a thousand, a hundred thousand rebirths; many eons of the world contracting, many eons of the world expanding, many eons of the world contracting and expanding? Do you remember: ‘There, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn somewhere else. There, too, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn here.’ Do you recollect your many kinds of past lives, with features and details?” “No, reverend.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you, with clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, see sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place—and understand how sentient beings pass on according to their deeds? ‘These dear beings did bad things by way of body, speech, and mind. They denounced the noble ones; they had wrong view; and they chose to act out of that wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell. These dear beings, however, did good things by way of body, speech, and mind. They never denounced the noble ones; they had right view; and they chose to act out of that right view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’ And so, with clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, do you see sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. And do you understand how sentient beings pass on according to their deeds?” “No, reverend.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you have direct meditative experience of the peaceful liberations that are formless, transcending form?” “No, reverend.”

§6“Well now, venerables, how could there be such a declaration when these things are not attained?” “Reverend Susīma, we are freed by wisdom.” “I don’t understand the detailed meaning of what you have said in brief. Please teach me this matter so I can understand the detailed meaning.” “Reverend Susīma, whether you understand or not, we are freed by wisdom.”

§7Then Susīma went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all he had discussed with those mendicants. “Susīma, first comes knowledge of the stability of natural principles. Afterwards there is knowledge of extinguishment.” “Sir, I don’t understand the detailed meaning of what you have said in brief. Please teach me this matter so I can understand the detailed meaning.” “Susīma, whether you understand or not, first comes knowledge of the stability of natural principles. Afterwards there is knowledge of extinguishment.

§8What do you think, Susīma? Is form permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, is it fit to be regarded thus: ‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?” “No, sir.” “Is feeling permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, is it fit to be regarded thus: ‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?” “No, sir.” “Is perception permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “Are choices permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if they’re impermanent, are they suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But if they’re impermanent, suffering, and perishable, are they fit to be regarded thus: ‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?” “No, sir.” “Is consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, is it fit to be regarded thus: ‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?” “No, sir.”

§9“So, Susīma, you should truly see any kind of form at all—past, future, or present; internal or external; solid or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: <em>all</em> form—with right understanding: ‘This is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.’ You should truly see any kind of feeling at all—past, future, or present; internal or external; solid or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: <em>all</em> feeling—with right understanding: ‘This is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.’ You should truly see any kind of perception at all—past, future, or present; internal or external; solid or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: <em>all</em> perception—with right understanding: ‘This is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.’ You should truly see any kind of choices at all—past, future, or present; internal or external; solid or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: <em>all</em> choices—with right understanding: ‘This is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.’ You should truly see any kind of consciousness at all—past, future, or present; internal or external; solid or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: <em>all</em> consciousness—with right understanding: ‘This is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.’ Seeing this, a learned noble disciple grows disillusioned with form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they’re freed. When they’re freed, they know they’re freed. They understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’

§10Susīma, do you see that rebirth is a requirement for old age and death?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that continued existence is a requirement for rebirth?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that grasping is a requirement for continued existence?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that craving is a requirement for grasping?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that feeling is a requirement for craving … contact is a requirement for feeling … the six sense fields are requirements for contact … name and form are requirements for the six sense fields … consciousness is a requirement for name and form … choices are a requirement for consciousness … ignorance is a requirement for choices?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that when rebirth ceases old age and death cease?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that when continued existence ceases rebirth ceases?” “Yes, sir.” “Do you see that when grasping ceases continued existence ceases … when craving ceases, grasping ceases … when feeling ceases, craving ceases … when contact ceases, feeling ceases … when the six sense fields cease, contact ceases … when name and form cease, the six sense fields cease … when consciousness ceases name and form cease … when choices cease consciousness ceases … when ignorance ceases choices cease?” “Yes, sir.”

§11“But knowing and seeing thus, do you wield the many kinds of psychic power? …” “No, sir.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus do you, with clairaudience that is purified and superhuman, hear both kinds of sounds, human and heavenly, whether near or far?” “No, sir.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you understand the minds of other beings and individuals, having encompassed them with your mind? …” “No, sir.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you recollect many kinds of past lives, with features and details?” “No, sir.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you, with clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, see sentient beings passing away and being reborn … according to their deeds?” “No, sir.” “Well, knowing and seeing thus, do you have direct meditative experience of the peaceful liberations that are formless, transcending form?” “No, sir.” “Well now, Susīma, how could there be such a declaration when these things are not attained?”

§12Then Venerable Susīma bowed with his head at the Buddha’s feet and said, “I made a mistake, sir. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of me to go forth as a thief in such a well-explained teaching and training. Please, sir, accept my mistake for what it is, so I will restrain myself in future.”

§13“Indeed, Susīma, you made a mistake. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of you to go forth as a thief of the teachings in such a well-explained teaching and training. Suppose they were to arrest a bandit, a criminal and present him to the king, saying: ‘Your Majesty, this is a bandit, a criminal. Punish him as you will.’ The king would say: ‘Go, my men, and tie this man’s arms tightly behind his back with a strong rope. Shave his head and march him from street to street and from square to square to the beating of a harsh drum. Then take him out the south gate and there, to the south of the city, chop off his head.’ The king’s men would do as they were told. What do you think, Susīma? Wouldn’t that man experience pain and distress because of that?” “Yes, sir.” “Although that man would experience pain and distress because of that, going forth as a thief of the teachings in such a well-explained teaching and training has a more painful and bitter result. And it even leads to the underworld. But since you have recognized your mistake for what it is, and have dealt with it properly, I accept it. For it is growth in the training of the Noble One to recognize a mistake for what it is, deal with it properly, and commit to restraint in the future.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
Why does Susīma originally ordain in the Buddha's teaching?
Correct: A. A transactional motive, not softened or hidden by the discourse.
Question 2 of 10
What six things does Susīma ask the mendicants who declared awakening?
Correct: A. A specific, checkable list of traditional supernormal attainments.
Question 3 of 10
How do the mendicants answer all six of Susīma's questions?
Correct: A. No supernormal powers claimed, only wisdom-liberation, without further elaboration.
Question 4 of 10
What is the Buddha's famous response when Susīma brings him this puzzle?
Correct: A. One of the most quoted single lines in the early texts.
Question 5 of 10
What does the Buddha teach Susīma before running him through the twelve-link catechism?
Correct: A. The same reflection that produced the other mendicants' understanding.
Question 6 of 10
What happens when the Buddha asks Susīma the same six questions he'd asked the other mendicants?
Correct: A. Understanding doesn't automatically come bundled with supernormal powers.
Question 7 of 10
How does Susīma respond once he realizes the full situation?
Correct: A. A direct confession, using the same self-description the Buddha then confirms.
Question 8 of 10
How severe is the comparison the Buddha uses for "stealing the teaching"?
Correct: A. A severe comparison, not a minimizing one.
Question 9 of 10
How does the discourse ultimately end?
Correct: A. Forgiveness following genuine recognition and correction of the mistake.
Question 10 of 10
What chapter does this discourse close?
Correct: A. The seventh chapter of Nidānavagga, closing on one of its longest and most consequential discourses.
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