Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 22.107

Ascetics (1st)

Paṭhamasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta — Antavagga

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants
Form
A contrastive pair of statements, heavily elided in the source text
Length
Very short — the shortest discourse in this vagga
Northern parallel
The gratification/drawback/escape triad recurs widely, most fully developed in SN 22.26-28 earlier in this book
Difficulty
Approachable, though its extreme compression rewards cross-reading with the fuller triad discourses

Why this discourse

The shortest discourse in Antavagga, and one of the most compressed in the whole book: two sentences, contrasting those ascetics and brahmins who fail to truly understand the gratification, drawback, and escape of the five grasping aggregates with those who succeed — the triad SN 22.26-28 developed at length, here reduced to its barest statement.

Reading guide

The five grasping aggregates, restated

Opens with the same standard identification used throughout this vagga: form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness as the five grasping aggregates — the shared subject of every discourse in this run.

Those who fail to understand

"There are ascetics and brahmins who don't truly understand these five grasping aggregates' gratification, drawback, and escape" — the sentence ends there, elided with an ellipsis in the source, trusting the reader to recall the consequence spelled out at length in SN 22.108, this discourse's own companion.

Those who do

"There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand" — again cut short with an ellipsis, the positive case given no more elaboration than the negative one.

This extreme compression is deliberate rather than accidental: the two-sentence contrast is complete in itself as a bare statement, with the fuller consequences spelled out in the discourse that follows it.

Gratification, drawback, and escape, recalled from earlier in the book

The triad itself — assāda, ādīnava, nissaraṇa — was given extended treatment in SN 22.26-28, where the Buddha's own search for and discovery of this triad was tied directly to his claim to full awakening.

This discourse assumes that earlier material rather than repeating it, using the triad here as a settled technical term rather than something needing fresh explanation.

Key terms

samaṇabrāhmaṇā — ascetics and brahmins — the two categories of religious practitioners named as either failing or succeeding here
assāda — gratification — the first of the triad, what appeal the aggregates hold
ādīnava — drawback — the second of the triad, the danger or cost inherent in that appeal
nissaraṇa — escape — the third of the triad, the way out
yathābhūtaṁ nappajānanti — "don't truly understand" — the exact phrase distinguishing the failing ascetics and brahmins from those who succeed

The text

The complete two-sentence discourse, contrasting failure and success in understanding the triad. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, there are these five grasping aggregates. What five? That is, the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.

§2There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t truly understand these five grasping aggregates’ gratification, drawback, and escape … There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand …”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
How long is this discourse compared to others in Antavagga?
Correct: A. Two elided sentences, one of the most compressed discourses in the whole book.
Question 2 of 10
What triad does this discourse reference?
Correct: A. The assāda/ādīnava/nissaraṇa triad, developed at length earlier in SN 22.26-28.
Question 3 of 10
Who fails to truly understand this triad, according to the discourse?
Correct: A. Contrasted against ascetics and brahmins who do succeed in understanding it.
Question 4 of 10
How does the discourse's positive case compare in length to its negative case?
Correct: A. Neither the failing nor the succeeding case receives elaboration in this discourse.
Question 5 of 10
Where was the gratification/drawback/escape triad given fuller treatment earlier in this book?
Correct: A. Where the Buddha's own discovery of the triad was tied to his claim of full awakening.
Question 6 of 10
What does this discourse's extreme compression suggest about its intended reading?
Correct: A. The bare contrast trusts the reader to recall the fuller consequences from elsewhere.
Question 7 of 10
What is this discourse's companion, which develops the same contrast further?
Correct: A. The next discourse in Antavagga, expanding the same ascetics-and-brahmins contrast.
Question 8 of 10
What are the five grasping aggregates named as, in this discourse's opening?
Correct: A. The standard fivefold list used throughout Khandhavagga.
Question 9 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. Continuing Antavagga's own setting.
Question 10 of 10
What kind of practitioners does this discourse discuss, besides ascetics?
Correct: A. The paired category "ascetics and brahmins" (samaṇabrāhmaṇā) common across the Canon.
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