Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 23.11

About Māra

Mārasutta — Dutiyamāravagga

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
Venerable Rādha questioning the Buddha
Form
A bare definitional question and answer, followed by the standard closing formula given in full
Length
Short — the fullest single discourse in this vagga, since later discourses elide the closing formula
Northern parallel
Reprises SN 23.1's own Māra-identification in an even more compressed form
Difficulty
Approachable — a maximally direct statement

Why this discourse

Opens Dutiyamāravagga ("About Māra (2nd)") by returning to SN 23.1's own opening question, but stripped to its barest form: no murderer-and-murdered imagery, no chain of purposes, simply "form is Māra, feeling is Māra..." — establishing the template this vagga's remaining eleven discourses will follow with only the characterizing term changing.

Reading guide

The same question, an even barer answer

"They speak of 'Māra'. How is Māra defined?" — the identical question already asked at SN 23.1, but answered here without any of that discourse's elaborate imagery (murderer, murdered, diseased, boil, dart, gloom) or its chain of five purposes.

"Rādha, form is Māra, feeling is Māra, perception is Māra, choices are Māra, consciousness is Māra" — the bare identification alone, each aggregate named individually rather than gathered under a shared formula.

The standard closing formula, given in full one last time

"Seeing this, a learned noble disciple grows disillusioned with form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. Being disillusioned, desire fades away... there is nothing further for this place" — Khandhavagga's familiar closing sequence, given here completely spelled out, since this vagga's remaining discourses will increasingly compress it with ellipses.

Establishing a template of maximum compression

This discourse's own extreme brevity — a bare identification with no supporting image or argument — sets the pattern for an entire vagga built the same way: Rādha asks what a term means, the Buddha answers "the aggregates are/have [term]" with no elaboration, and the standard formula closes each discourse.

Why a second, barer treatment of Māra opens this vagga

Placing this stripped-down version immediately after SN 23.1's own elaborate treatment (with its imagery and its chain of purposes) suggests a deliberate contrast: having shown Māra's identification with the aggregates developed at length once, the collection now demonstrates the same content survives complete compression, needing neither image nor argument to remain meaningful.

Key terms

Māra — the personification of death and temptation — identified here with each aggregate individually, without elaboration
nibbidā/virāga/vimutti — disillusionment / dispassion / freedom — the standard closing chain, given here in full
nāparaṁ itthattāyā — "there is nothing further for this place" — the formula's own final declaration
khandha — aggregate — form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness, each named individually as Māra
peyyāla — an elision mark — what the remaining discourses in this vagga will use in place of this discourse's own full closing formula

The text

The complete discourse: the bare question and answer about Māra, and the standard closing formula given in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. Seated to one side, Venerable Rādha said to the Buddha: “Sir, they speak of ‘Māra’. How is Māra defined?”

§2“Rādha, form is Māra, feeling is Māra, perception is Māra, choices are Māra, consciousness is Māra.

§3Seeing this, a learned noble disciple grows disillusioned with form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they’re freed. When they’re freed, they know they’re freed. They understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What question does Rādha ask, matching SN 23.1's own opening?
Correct: A. The identical question, now answered without SN 23.1's elaborate imagery.
Question 2 of 10
How does this discourse's answer compare to SN 23.1's own?
Correct: A. Each aggregate simply named as Māra, without elaboration.
Question 3 of 10
How is the standard closing formula presented in this discourse, compared to the rest of this vagga?
Correct: A. Setting the pattern the vagga's remaining discourses will compress.
Question 4 of 10
What pattern does this discourse establish for the rest of Dutiyamāravagga?
Correct: A. The vagga's remaining eleven discourses will follow this exact template.
Question 5 of 10
Why might placing this barer treatment right after SN 23.1's elaborate one be deliberate?
Correct: A. A contrast between developed and stripped-down treatments of the same identification.
Question 6 of 10
How many aggregates does this identification apply to?
Correct: A. Form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness, each named individually.
Question 7 of 10
What vagga does this discourse open?
Correct: A. SN 23.11 opens Rādhasaṃyutta's second vagga.
Question 8 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. Continuing the setting shared by most of this book's discourses.
Question 9 of 10
What closing formula step follows disillusionment in this discourse?
Correct: A. The standard chain given here in full.
Question 10 of 10
What comes next in Dutiyamāravagga after this discourse?
Correct: A. Continuing this vagga's own cycle through characterizing terms.
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