Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 24.3

This Is My Self

Soattāsutta — Sotāpattivagga

Setting
Sāvatthī
Speakers
The Buddha addressing the mendicants
Form
The identical eternalist formula already traced to its source in Diṭṭhivagga, re-run toward stream-entry
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — familiar territory for any reader who has already met this formula at SN 22.152

Why this discourse

Shares its exact Pāli title, opening question, and core formula with SN 22.152 ("This Is My Self — Tracing the Eternalist View"), already published in Diṭṭhivagga — the third discourse this vagga reuses from that same source, following SN 24.2's reuse of SN 22.151. This is the canon's own most complete statement of eternalism: not merely that the self persists, but that self and cosmos are identical and will remain permanent, everlasting, and imperishable after death.

Reading guide

The fullest eternalist claim in this vagga

"The self and the cosmos are one and the same. After death I will be that, permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable" (so attā, so loko, so pecca bhavissāmi nicco dhuvo sassato avipariṇāmadhammo) — identical wording to SN 22.152, collapsing the distinction between self and world into a single permanent entity.

A third reuse from the same source vagga

Following SN 24.2's reuse of SN 22.151, this discourse continues a pattern: the first three discourses this vagga runs through its own new stream-entry template (SN 24.2, 24.3, and — as the next discourse will confirm — SN 24.4) are drawn directly from Diṭṭhivagga's own SN 22.151–153, only SN 24.1 itself being genuinely new material.

Why eternalism earns fuller treatment than most later views

Compared to the maximally compressed views this vagga will reach by its later half, this formula and its immediate neighbors still receive full aggregate-by-aggregate elaboration — reflecting both its canonical prominence (eternalism is the paired opposite of annihilationism throughout the Nikāyas) and this vagga's own gradual compression as its later discourses increasingly trust the reader to supply what earlier ones spelled out.

The same closing formula, again

As with SN 24.1 and SN 24.2, the discourse closes with doubt given up regarding the six grounds and the four noble truths — stream-entry, not the "nothing further for this place" SN 22.152 uses for the identical formula.

Key terms

so attā, so loko — the self and the cosmos are one and the same — this discourse's core eternalist claim, identical to SN 22.152
nicco dhuvo sassato avipariṇāmadhammo — permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable — the fourfold description of what the self-cosmos is claimed to remain after death
upādāya... abhinivissa — grasping... and insisting on — this vagga's standing two-condition formula
kaṅkhā pahīnā — doubt given up — this vagga's own criterion for stream-entry
sotāpanno avinipātadhammo niyato sambodhiparāyano — a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, assured, destined for awakening — this vagga's standing conclusion

The text

The complete discourse: the eternalist formula, the aggregate catechism, and the stream-enterer conclusion. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘The self and the cosmos are one and the same. After death I will be that, permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable’?” “Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”

§2“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises: ‘The self and the cosmos are one and the same. After death I will be that, permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable.’ When feeling … perception … choices … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises: ‘The self and the cosmos are one and the same. After death I will be that, permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable.’ What do you think, mendicants? Is form permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “Is feeling … perception … choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “That which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind: is that permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?” “No, sir.”

§3“When a noble disciple has given up doubt regarding these six grounds, and has given up doubt in suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, they’re called a noble disciple who is a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, assured, destined for awakening.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What formula does this discourse examine?
Correct: A. The canon's fullest single statement of eternalism.
Question 2 of 10
Which earlier discourse shares this discourse's exact Pāli title and formula?
Correct: A. Already published as "Tracing the Eternalist View."
Question 3 of 10
What pattern does this discourse continue from SN 24.2?
Correct: A. The second of three consecutive reuses from SN 22.151–153.
Question 4 of 10
How many of this vagga's first four discourses draw directly from SN 22.151–153?
Correct: A. Only SN 24.1 itself is genuinely new material among the opening four.
Question 5 of 10
What does this formula collapse into a single entity?
Correct: A. So attā, so loko — self and world claimed as identical and permanent.
Question 6 of 10
Why might this and its immediate neighbors still receive full elaboration, unlike this vagga's later discourses?
Correct: A. Eternalism is the paired opposite of annihilationism throughout the Nikāyas.
Question 7 of 10
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: A. Matching the setting of most of this book's discourses.
Question 8 of 10
What does this discourse's conclusion certify, as with SN 24.1 and 24.2?
Correct: A. Not the "nothing further for this place" formula SN 22.152 uses for the identical claim.
Question 9 of 10
What is eternalism traditionally paired against in the Nikāyas?
Correct: A. The two extremes the middle way is repeatedly said to avoid.
Question 10 of 10
What aggregate is examined first in the catechism?
Correct: A. Followed by feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness in turn.
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