Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 35.233

With Kāmabhū

Kāmabhūsutta — Samuddavagga

Setting
Near Kosambī, in Ghosita's Monastery
Speakers
The venerable Kāmabhū, asking, and Ānanda, answering
Form
The identical question-and-answer dialogue and simile as SN 35.232, restated with a new pair of speakers and no closing description of the Buddha
Length
~2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — the same content as SN 35.232, in more compressed form

Why this discourse

This discourse restates SN 35.232 almost word for word — the identical question about whether the eye is the fetter of sights, the identical answer naming chandarāga as the true fetter, and the identical black-ox, white-ox, single-harness simile — but moves the scene from Isipatana to Ghosita's Monastery near Kosambī and swaps the speakers: here it is Kāmabhū who asks, and Ānanda who answers. This discourse is more compressed than SN 35.232, omitting both the counterfactual argument about what would follow if the fetter claim were reversed and the closing description of the Buddha's own freed mind.

Reading guide

The same dialogue, different speakers

Every element of SN 35.232's own dialogue recurs here unchanged in substance: the either-or question about the eye and sights, the chandarāga answer, and the ox-yoke simile. Only the setting (Ghosita's Monastery rather than Isipatana) and the speakers (Kāmabhū and Ānanda rather than Mahākoṭṭhita and Sāriputta) change.

A shorter telling

This discourse omits two elements SN 35.232 included: the counterfactual argument that the spiritual life for the ending of suffering would not be found if the fetter claim ran the other way, and the closing description of the Buddha's own sensing-but-unfettered mind. The core question, answer, and simile stand alone.

A pattern already met in this project

The same teaching restated between different named speakers, with only setting and cast changed, is a pattern this project has already met more than once — most recently, for example, in Book III's own Kukkuḷavagga and in this book's own earlier vaggas, where identical formulas recur across successive discourses.

A third telling to follow

This is the second of three consecutive dialogues in Samuddavagga built on questions between named senior disciples — the third, SN 35.234 immediately following, keeps the Kosambī setting and the same pair of speakers who feature here, but turns to a different question entirely.

Key terms

saṁyojanaṁ — the fetter — Kāmabhū's own question to Ānanda, identical in wording to Mahākoṭṭhita's question to Sāriputta in SN 35.232
yañca tattha tadubhayaṁ paṭicca uppajjati chandarāgo, taṁ tattha saṁyojanaṁ — “the fetter there is the desire and greed that arises from the pair of them” — Ānanda's answer, word for word identical to Sāriputta's in SN 35.232
kāḷo ca balībaddo odāto ca balībaddo — a black ox and a white ox — the simile repeated unchanged from SN 35.232 and from the already-published SN 41.1
evameva kho, āvuso, na cakkhu rūpānaṁ saṁyojanaṁ — “in the same way, reverend, the eye is not the fetter of sights” — the simile's own application back to the six sense fields, given here in more compressed form than SN 35.232's
ghositārāme — Ghosita's Monastery — the setting near Kosambī shared by this discourse and the two following it, SN 35.234 and beyond

The text

The complete discourse: Kāmabhū's question, Ānanda's answer, and the ox-yoke simile applied. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At one time the venerables Ānanda and Kāmabhū were staying near Kosambī, in Ghosita’s Monastery. Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Kāmabhū came out of retreat, went to Venerable Ānanda, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Ānanda: “Reverend Ānanda, which is it? Is the eye the fetter of sights, or are sights the fetter of the eye? Is the ear … nose … tongue … body … mind the fetter of ideas, or are ideas the fetter of the mind?”

§2“Reverend Kāmabhū, the eye is not the fetter of sights, nor are sights the fetter of the eye. The fetter there is the desire and greed that arises from the pair of them. The ear … nose … tongue … body … mind is not the fetter of ideas, nor are ideas the fetter of the mind. The fetter there is the desire and greed that arises from the pair of them.

§3Suppose there was a black ox and a white ox yoked by a single harness or yoke. Would it be right to say that the black ox is the yoke of the white ox, or the white ox is the yoke of the black ox?” “No, reverend. The black ox is not the yoke of the white ox, nor is the white ox the yoke of the black ox. The yoke there is the single harness or yoke that they’re yoked by.” “In the same way, the eye is not the fetter of sights, nor are sights the fetter of the eye. The ear … nose … tongue … body … mind is not the fetter of ideas, nor are ideas the fetter of the mind. The fetter there is the desire and greed that arises from the pair of them.”

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Self-check quiz

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Question 1 of 5
How does this discourse's own content compare to SN 35.232's?
Correct: A. The same fetter question, the same chandarāga answer, and the same ox-yoke simile, restated between Kāmabhū and Ānanda.
Question 2 of 5
Who asks the question in this discourse, and who answers?
Correct: A. The roles from SN 35.232 (Koṭṭhita asking, Sāriputta answering) are replaced by Kāmabhū asking and Ānanda answering.
Question 3 of 5
What two elements does this discourse omit that SN 35.232 included?
Correct: A. This discourse is more compressed, giving the core question, answer, and simile without SN 35.232's extra material.
Question 4 of 5
Where is this discourse set, compared to SN 35.232?
Correct: A. SN 35.232 is set at Isipatana's deer park; this discourse moves to Ghosita's Monastery near Kosambī.
Question 5 of 5
What pattern does this reading guide identify in this discourse's own restatement of SN 35.232?
Correct: A. This reading guide notes the pattern honestly as a recognized recurring device, not an anomaly.
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