Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 36.16

With Ānanda (2nd)

Dutiyaānandasutta — Rahogatavagga

Setting
Not restated beyond Ānanda's approach to the Buddha
Speakers
Venerable Ānanda and the Buddha
Form
The same sevenfold catechism as SN 36.15, with the roles of questioner and respondent reversed, compressed by peyyāla
Length
~1 minute to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — brief, but the reversed roles are worth noting

Why this discourse

This discourse restates SN 36.15's own sevenfold question and answer, but with the roles reversed: rather than Ānanda asking the Buddha, the Buddha this time puts the same question to Ānanda directly. Ānanda doesn't attempt an answer of his own; he immediately defers, using the formula this project has already met from other mendicants asked to answer difficult questions — “our teachings are rooted in the Buddha” — before the Buddha answers his own question in full.

Reading guide

The same question, now asked rather than received

The sevenfold catechism — what is feeling, its origin, cessation, the practice to its cessation, and its gratification, drawback, and escape — recurs word for word from SN 36.15, but this time the Buddha poses it to Ānanda rather than the reverse.

A deference this project has already met elsewhere

Ānanda's own response — “our teachings are rooted in the Buddha... may the Buddha himself please clarify the meaning of this” — is the identical formula this project has already met from several mendicants asked to answer in the Buddha's presence, most recently SN 36.6's own opening exchange in Sagāthāvagga.

Not a test Ānanda fails, but a formal courtesy observed

Nothing in the discourse suggests Ānanda couldn't answer — he has, after all, just asked this exact question himself in SN 36.15. The deference reads as established etiquette in the Buddha's presence rather than genuine uncertainty.

A compressed answer, assumed rather than restated

Bilara-data compresses the Buddha's own answer here with a peyyāla marker after the opening lines, assuming the reader already holds SN 36.15's own full answer in mind rather than restating the contact/eightfold-path/gratification-drawback-escape formula and the graduated cessation list a second time.

Key terms

āyasmā ānando bhagavantaṁ etadavoca — “Venerable Ānanda said to the Buddha” — SN 36.15's own framing, reversed here to the Buddha addressing Ānanda
mūlakā no, bhante, dhammā bhagavappaṭisaraṇā — “our teachings are rooted in the Buddha, he is our guide and refuge” — Ānanda's own deferring formula, matching other mendicants met elsewhere in this project
tena hānanda, suṇāhi, sādhukaṁ manasi karohi — “well then, Ānanda, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak” — the Buddha's own response, taking up the question he himself posed
…pe… — the peyyāla (repetition) marker compressing the Buddha's own answer, assuming SN 36.15's full response
khīṇāsavassa bhikkhuno... rāgo, doso, moho vūpasantā — the closing line preserved in full: an arahant's greed, hate, and delusion tranquilized

The text

The complete discourse as bilara-data preserves it — the reversed sevenfold question in full, and the Buddha's own answer compressed by peyyāla. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Then Venerable Ānanda went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him, “Ānanda, what is feeling? What’s the origin of feeling? What’s the cessation of feeling? What’s the practice that leads to the cessation of feeling? And what is feeling’s gratification, drawback, and escape?” “Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. He is our guide and our refuge. Sir, may the Buddha himself please clarify the meaning of this. The mendicants will listen and remember it.” “Well then, Ānanda, listen and apply your mind well, I will speak.” “Yes, sir,” Ānanda replied. The Buddha said this: “Ānanda, there are these three feelings: pleasant, painful, and neutral. These are called feelings. … For a mendicant who has ended the defilements, greed, hate, and delusion have been tranquilized.”

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Self-check quiz

5 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 5
How does the framing of this discourse's question differ from SN 36.15's?
Correct: A. The same sevenfold catechism, with questioner and respondent switched.
Question 2 of 5
How does Ānanda respond when the Buddha asks him the question?
Correct: A. The identical deferring formula met from other mendicants elsewhere in this project, most recently SN 36.6.
Question 3 of 5
Does the discourse suggest Ānanda's deference reflects genuine inability to answer?
Correct: A. A formal courtesy observed in the Buddha's presence, not a test Ānanda fails.
Question 4 of 5
How does bilara-data handle the Buddha's own answer in this discourse?
Correct: A. A compression assuming the reader already holds SN 36.15's own answer in mind.
Question 5 of 5
What formula does Ānanda use, matching mendicants met elsewhere in this project?
Correct: A. Matching, among other instances, SN 36.6's own opening exchange in Sagāthāvagga.
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