Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 36.17

With Several Mendicants (1st)

Paṭhamasambahulasutta — Rahogatavagga

Setting
Not restated beyond the mendicants' approach to the Buddha
Speakers
Several unnamed mendicants and the Buddha
Form
The same sevenfold catechism as SN 36.15, asked by a group rather than an individual, given in full
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — familiar content, worth noting who now asks it

Why this discourse

This discourse repeats SN 36.15's own sevenfold catechism on feeling — its identity, origin, cessation, the practice leading to that cessation, and its gratification, drawback, and escape — and the Buddha's own full answer, including the graduated cessation/settling/tranquilizing list already met twice in this vagga. What changes is only the questioner: not Venerable Ānanda by name, but “several mendicants” (sambahulā bhikkhū) approaching together, confirming this catechism circulated as a standard teaching this project has now met given to three different kinds of audience in a row.

Reading guide

A third audience for the identical catechism

SN 36.15 gave this sevenfold question to Ānanda; SN 36.16 reversed it back onto Ānanda from the Buddha; this discourse now gives it to an unnamed group of several mendicants together, the third distinct questioner configuration in three consecutive discourses.

A group question, not a private one

Unlike SN 36.11's private mendicant or SN 36.15's named individual, this discourse's questioners approach “together” and ask as a collective — the same content delivered to a communal rather than individual audience.

The full answer restated, not assumed

Unlike SN 36.16's own compressed twin of SN 36.15, this discourse gives the Buddha's complete answer again in full — contact as origin and cessation, the eightfold path, the threefold gratification/drawback/escape formula, and the entire graduated cessation list — suggesting the group setting here calls for full restatement rather than compression.

A teaching confirmed as genuinely standard, not occasional

Three consecutive discourses giving the identical sevenfold catechism to three different configurations of questioner (an individual, that same individual reversed, and a group) makes clear this is a standardized teaching device this saṃyutta returns to deliberately, not a coincidental repetition.

Key terms

sambahulā bhikkhū — “several mendicants” — this discourse's own questioners, approaching the Buddha together rather than individually
kā vedanā... ko vedanānirodhagāminī paṭipadā — the sevenfold question repeated in full: what is feeling, its origin, cessation, and the practice leading to its cessation
assādo... ādīnavo... nissaraṇaṁ — gratification, drawback, and escape — the threefold diagnostic formula, restated here in full rather than compressed
anupubbasaṅkhārānaṁ nirodho... vūpasamo... passaddhiyo — the progressive cessation, settling, and tranquilizing of activities — the graduated list given in full for a third time in this vagga
chaṭṭhaṁ — “sixth” — this discourse's own untranslated closing marker, its position within Rahogatavagga

The text

The complete discourse: the sevenfold question asked by several mendicants together, and the Buddha's own full answer. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Then several mendicants went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: “Sir, what is feeling? What’s the origin of feeling? What’s the cessation of feeling? What’s the practice that leads to the cessation of feeling? And what is feeling’s gratification, drawback, and escape?” “Mendicants, there are these three feelings: pleasant, painful, and neutral. These are called feelings. Feeling originates from contact. When contact ceases, feeling ceases. The practice that leads to the cessation of feelings is simply this noble eightfold path, that is: right view, right purpose, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right immersion. The pleasure and happiness that arise from feeling: this is its gratification. That feeling is impermanent, suffering, and perishable: this is its drawback. Removing and giving up desire and greed for feeling: this is its escape.

§2But I have also explained the progressive cessation of activities. … For someone who has attained the first absorption, speech has ceased. … For a mendicant who has ended the defilements, greed, hate, and delusion have ceased. And I have also explained the progressive settling of activities. For someone who has attained the first absorption, speech has stilled. … For a mendicant who has ended the defilements, greed, hate, and delusion have stilled.

§3There are these six levels of tranquility. For someone who has attained the first absorption, speech has been tranquilized. For someone who has attained the second absorption, the placing of the mind and keeping it connected have been tranquilized. For someone who has attained the third absorption, rapture has been tranquilized. For someone who has attained the fourth absorption, breathing has been tranquilized. For someone who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, perception and feeling have been tranquilized. For a mendicant who has ended the defilements, greed, hate, and delusion have been tranquilized.”

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Self-check quiz

5 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 5
Who asks the sevenfold catechism in this discourse?
Correct: A. Sambahulā bhikkhū — a group, not an individual, the third distinct questioner configuration in a row.
Question 2 of 5
How does this discourse's questioner configuration compare to SN 36.15 and SN 36.16's?
Correct: A. Confirming the catechism circulates as a standard teaching across varied audiences.
Question 3 of 5
How does this discourse handle the Buddha's own answer, compared to SN 36.16?
Correct: A. Suggesting the group setting here calls for full restatement rather than compression.
Question 4 of 5
What does the pattern of three consecutive discourses using the identical catechism suggest?
Correct: A. A teaching confirmed as genuinely standard across three different questioner configurations.
Question 5 of 5
What single term does the Buddha again give as feeling's own origin and what ends it?
Correct: A. Consistent with SN 36.10 and SN 36.15's own conclusions.
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