Not restated beyond the mendicants' approach to the Buddha
Speakers
Several unnamed mendicants and the Buddha
Form
The same sevenfold catechism as SN 36.17, compressed by peyyāla after the deferring formula
Length
~1 minute to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — brief, closing this vagga's own catechism set
Why this discourse
This discourse closes this vagga's own set of four catechism discourses (SN 36.15–18) with the same sevenfold question asked once more by several mendicants — but this time, unlike SN 36.17, the mendicants first defer with the “our teachings are rooted in the Buddha” formula before the Buddha answers, and bilara-data compresses the Buddha's own answer with an explicit instruction to the reciter: “tell in full as in the previous discourse.”
Reading guide
A deference SN 36.17's own mendicants didn't use
Where SN 36.17's several mendicants asked their question and received a direct answer, this discourse's mendicants first defer to the Buddha with the same formula Ānanda used in SN 36.16, before the Buddha answers — a small but real difference between two discourses that otherwise share a nearly identical questioner configuration.
The compiler's own instruction, visible again
As with SN 36.8's own compressed twin of SN 36.7, this discourse's bilara-data file preserves an explicit editorial note: “tell in full as in the previous discourse” — the same mechanism of oral transmission made visible a second time in this saṃyutta.
Four catechism discourses, closing as a set
SN 36.15 through SN 36.18 together form a deliberate set of four variations on one sevenfold question — individual asking, individual asked, group asking directly, group asking with deference — each a distinct configuration of the same underlying content.
A pivot toward this vagga's own closing discourse
Having exhausted the catechism's own questioner variations, the vagga's two remaining discourses (SN 36.19–20) turn to an entirely different subject: a debate over how many feelings the Buddha has actually taught, and an extended account of successively finer pleasures culminating in the cessation of perception and feeling itself.
Key terms
mūlakā no, bhante, dhammā — “our teachings are rooted in the Buddha” — the deferring formula this discourse's mendicants use, absent from SN 36.17's own otherwise similar exchange
tathāgatappaṭisaraṇā — “the Realized One is our refuge” — part of the same deferring formula, naming the Buddha directly
vitthāretabbo — “should be told in full” — the editorial instruction bilara-data preserves here, directing the reciter to SN 36.17's own complete answer
sattamaṁ — “seventh” — this discourse's own untranslated closing marker, its position within Rahogatavagga
kā vedanā — “what is feeling?” — the opening word of the sevenfold catechism, closing out its own fourth and final appearance in this vagga
The text
The complete discourse as bilara-data preserves it — the deferring formula and the question in full, the Buddha's own answer compressed by peyyāla. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).
§1Then several mendicants went up to the Buddha … The Buddha said to them: “Mendicants, what is feeling? What’s the origin of feeling? What’s the cessation of feeling? What’s the practice that leads to the cessation of feeling? And what is feeling’s gratification, drawback, and escape?” “Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …” “Mendicants, there are these three feelings: pleasant, painful, and neutral. These are called feelings. …” (Tell in full as in the previous discourse.)
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Self-check quiz
5 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.
Question 1 of 5
What does this discourse's mendicants do that SN 36.17's did not?
Correct: A. A small but real difference between two otherwise similarly configured discourses.
Question 2 of 5
What editorial note does bilara-data preserve in this discourse?
Correct: A. The same mechanism of oral transmission this project has already met at SN 36.8.
Question 3 of 5
How many discourses together form this vagga's own set of catechism variations?
Correct: A. Individual asking, individual asked, group asking directly, group asking with deference — four distinct configurations.
Question 4 of 5
What subject do this vagga's two remaining discourses (SN 36.19-20) turn to?
Correct: A. A pivot away from the catechism set toward new content closing out the vagga.
Question 5 of 5
What formula do the mendicants use, matching Ānanda's own words in SN 36.16?
Correct: A. The identical deferring formula recurring across this vagga's catechism discourses.
