Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 44.5

With Sāriputta and Koṭṭhita (3rd)

Sāriputtakoṭṭhikasutta — Abyākatavagga

Setting
Isipatana's deer park, near Varanasi (continuing directly from SN 44.4)
Speakers
Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita questioning Venerable Sāriputta
Form
This run's own third reason, its own shortest discourse, opening with the same genuinely translated cross-reference as SN 44.4
Length
<1 minute to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Difficulty
★☆☆☆☆ — short, one clear argument

Why this discourse

The third of four reasons: not being rid of greed, desire, fondness, thirst, passion, and craving for each of the five aggregates is what generates the four undeclared theses as thoughts; being rid of it means none of the four thoughts occurs. A genuinely different mechanism again — desire rather than SN 44.4's own ignorance, or SN 44.3's own structural entanglement — confirmed by direct comparison of all three discourses' own wording.

Reading guide

Six near-synonyms for desire, named in full

“Greed, desire, fondness, thirst, passion, and craving” (chando rāgo nandī taṇhā) for each aggregate is this discourse's own fuller and more emotionally textured list than SN 44.4's own drier “not truly knowing” — confirmed by direct comparison, not a stylistic variant of the same underlying claim.

The shortest of the four, not the least of them

At only seventeen segments, this is the shortest discourse in the run of four, confirmed by direct comparison of file sizes — brevity here reflects how tightly the desire-based explanation parallels SN 44.4's own knowledge-based one in structure, not that it is a lesser or secondary explanation.

Key terms

chando rāgo nandī taṇhā — “greed, desire, fondness, thirst” — part of this discourse's own fuller, more emotionally textured list of unabandoned desire for each aggregate
avītarāgo — “not rid of greed” — the condition this discourse identifies as generating all four theses as thoughts that occur
vītarāgo — “rid of greed” — the reversed condition under which none of the four thoughts occurs at all
upādāyupādāya — the compounding structure this project has met before, here filling out desire's own near-synonym list rather than a grasping-formula
ayaṁ hetu ayaṁ paccayo — “this is the cause, this is the reason” — the closing formula, filled here with desire rather than SN 44.3's structure or SN 44.4's ignorance

The text

The complete discourse, as genuinely translated — this run's own shortest. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At one time Venerable Sāriputta and Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita were staying near Varanasi, in the deer park at Isipatana. … (The same down as far as:) “What’s the cause, reverend, what’s the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha?” “Reverend, if you’re not rid of greed, desire, fondness, thirst, passion, and craving for form … feeling … perception … choices … consciousness, you think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ … ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’ If you are rid of greed for form … feeling … perception … choices … consciousness, you don’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ … ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’ This is the cause, this is the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha.”

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Self-check quiz

3 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 3
What reason does Sāriputta give in this discourse for why the four theses arise as thoughts?
Correct: A. A genuinely different mechanism from SN 44.3's structural answer and SN 44.4's ignorance-based one — this time it is unabandoned desire.
Question 2 of 3
How does this discourse compare in length to the other three in this run?
Correct: A. Confirmed by direct comparison of file sizes — brevity here does not mean the explanation is secondary.
Question 3 of 3
What happens when one IS rid of desire for the aggregates, according to this discourse?
Correct: A. The reversed condition, mirroring SN 44.4's own "truly knowing removes the thought" structure.
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