Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 48.34

Ascetics and Brahmins (1st)

Paṭhamasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta — Sukhindriyavagga

Setting
Not specified in the source
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants directly
Form
A contrastive statement, denying and then affirming the title "true ascetic or brahmin" by a single criterion
Length
<1 minute to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Significance
★★★☆☆ — mirrors SN 48.29's own criterion, now for the five feeling faculties, continuing this vagga's own close tracking of Vagga 3's discourse sequence

Why this discourse

This discourse mirrors this project's own SN 48.29 almost word for word: the Buddha's own criterion for who deserves to be called a true ascetic or brahmin, now applied to the five feeling faculties rather than the six sense faculties — continuing this vagga's own close tracking of Vagga 3's discourse sequence, discourse type by discourse type.

Reading guide

A direct echo of SN 48.29, faculty set aside

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse's own text is nearly identical to SN 48.29: the same criterion, the same contrastive structure denying and then affirming the title of true ascetic or brahmin, applied here to the five feeling faculties instead of the six sense faculties.

This vagga's own sequence, tracking Vagga 3's closely

This project's own running observation: this vagga's own discourse types so far — plain listing (48.31), stream-enterer (48.32), arahant (48.33), and now ascetics-and-brahmins (48.34) — track Vagga 3's own sequence (SN 48.25-29) closely, category for category. This project continues to read each discourse fresh rather than assume the parallel holds exactly for what remains.

Marked "(1st)" again, expecting a paired continuation

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse's own title again explicitly marks it “(1st),” matching SN 48.29's own pattern and signaling a paired “(2nd)” discourse next — which this project will read fresh rather than assume mirrors SN 48.30 in every detail.

Key terms

Sukhindriyavagga — “the vagga of the pleasure faculty” — this discourse continues the five feeling faculties named at SN 48.31-33
samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā — “ascetics or brahmins” — the category this discourse's own criterion judges, identical to SN 48.29's own category
samudayañca atthaṅgamañca assādañca ādīnavañca nissaraṇañca — “origin, disappearance, gratification, drawback, and escape” — the same fivefold lens recurring throughout this saṃyutta
sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ vā — “the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin” — what genuine understanding of the five faculties allows one to realize
Catutthaṁ — “the fourth” — the closing colophon marker, confirming this as the vagga's fourth discourse

The text

The complete discourse. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1“Mendicants, there are these five faculties. What five? The faculties of pleasure, pain, happiness, sadness, and equanimity. There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t truly understand the origin, disappearance, gratification, drawback, and escape when it comes to these five faculties. I don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight. There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand the origin, disappearance, gratification, drawback, and escape when it comes to these five faculties. I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

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Self-check quiz

3 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 3
Which earlier discourse does this one closely mirror?
Correct: A. The same criterion and structure, now for the five feeling faculties.
Question 2 of 3
How does this project's own reading guide characterize this vagga's own sequence so far?
Correct: A. A close but not assumed parallel, confirmed discourse by discourse rather than guessed in advance.
Question 3 of 3
What does this discourse's own title signal, as SN 48.29's did before it?
Correct: A. Consistent with this project's own established practice of confirming rather than assuming.
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